Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

ChatGPT Search

openai.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 1001 posts

Re: ChatGPT Search

#131

Post by speedgoose »

inhumantsar wrote: post #126
blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

As an alternative, ublacklist is free and open-source.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#132

Post by Liquix »

qwertox wrote: post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system.

[0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

Re: ChatGPT Search

#133

Post by kredd »

breck wrote: post #103
Xcelerate wrote: post #12

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Why would they ever want to sell ads? They did not get addicted to selling ads, have billions in revenue from paying subscribers, and don't have to wean themselves off of ads (as Google and Meta would love to do).

Why make $1 when you can make $100?

Re: ChatGPT Search

#134

Post by arromatic »

inhumantsar wrote: post #126
blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

How many can you block and filter manually ? 10 ? 100 ? 10k ? Who will test sites for the blocklist ? The domain block feature is great but unless it's collaborative listing it's not gonna be super effective.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#135

Post by joshdavham »

sidcool wrote: post #3

It will be fun to see how they stand up to Google and Perplexity. I feel they are a bit late in the search game, but excited to see what they cook

> excited to see what they cook

Me too! I've really started to dislike Google search recently and am super excited we now have more viable options!

Re: ChatGPT Search

#136

Post by randcraw »

arromatic wrote: post #107
randcraw wrote: post #87

I really don't see the value of summarizing/repackaging web search hits. Given that 99% of SEO-tuned web content is just shilling for vendors who don't want to be seen, LLM search summarization will just repackage those ads into a more palatable format that is LESS useful than the original, while more successfully hiding the obvious signatures that used to be a clear warning sign that... THE.FOLLOWING.CONTENT.IS.MANI…

I think if they improve the algorithm maybe they can actually present seo free results.

You don't think SEO-LLMs will evolve to redirect search-LLMs to 'see the world' the way the SEO-LLMs want it to? I foresee SEO-LLM-brinkmanship as the inevitable outcome. Soon THIS will be the catalyst for the real Skynet -- battling smart ad engines.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#137

Post by DSingularity »

jsheard wrote: post #115
blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

Given how many of those SEO spam sites are themselves generated by ChatGPT now, OpenAI can simply back-reference their own logs to find out which sites are probably SEO spam while everyone else is left guessing. That's vertical integration!

I’m sure they will be more subtle than that otherwise it will get circumvented.

I’m sure they will/are tackling this at the model level. Train them to both generate good completions while also embedding text with good performance at separating generated and human text.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#138

Post by blharr »

inhumantsar wrote: post #126
blixt wrote: post #108

One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to fil…

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

Kagi is admittedly pretty great for this.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#139

Post by EcommerceFlow »

I wonder if this is their own web scraper, or if they're using Bing API?

As a very experienced SEO, this is pretty exciting nonetheless, a new front in the online war opening up.

If they're using their own scraper/search algorithms, it'll be interesting to see how they weigh the winners and losers compared to how Google does it.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#140

Post by unnouinceput »

Liquix wrote: post #132
qwertox wrote: post #64

Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system. [0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

OpenAI is Microsoft. Microsoft is a FAANG giant.
Post reply on HN