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Re: ChatGPT Search

#101

I really don't see the value of summarizing/repackaging web search hits. Given that 99% of SEO-tuned web content is just shilling for vendors who don't want to be seen, LLM search summarization will just repackage those ads into a more palatable format that is LESS useful than the original, while more successfully hiding the obvious signatures that used to be a clear warning sign that... THE.FOLLOWING.CONTENT.IS.MANI…

People who think AI summarizations are useful suck at reading.

So they probably wouldn't notice the warning signs anyways.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#102
post #46

Hah, OpenAI is becoming an ads business too. So much for something new, same old funding model for every centralized platform on the web.

If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

Because it is never enough. We see this time and time again. Once they are making billions, the people in charge will demand that they start making dozens of billions, and then hundreds. The growth must never cease, because the moment you stop growing, you can't sell the dream that supports ridiculous PE ratios anymore.

Google was a very profitable business 10 years ago and the search was still decent. In the last decade they absolutely butchered their core product (and the internet along with it) in an effort to squeeze more ad dollars out, because it's not the level of profitability that they need to maintain, but the growth of that profitability.

Microsoft was a ridiculously profitable company, but that is not enough, they must show growth. So they add increasingly user hostile features to their core product because the current crop of management needs to see geometric growth during their 5 year tenure. And then in 5 years, the next crop of goobers will need to show geometric growth as well to justify their bonuses.

Think about this for a moment: the entire ecosystem is built on the (entirely preposterous) premise that there must be constant geometric growth. Nobody needs to make a decision or even accept that this is long term sustainable, every participant just wants the system to keep doing this during their particular 5-10 year tenure.

It's an interesting showcase of essentially an evolutionary algorithm/swarm optimizer falling into a local optimum while a much better global optimum is out of reach because the real world is something like a Rastrigin function with copious amounts of noise with an unknowable but fat tailed distribution.

by a hedge fund professional.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#103

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Why would they ever want to sell ads?

They did not get addicted to selling ads, have billions in revenue from paying subscribers, and don't have to wean themselves off of ads (as Google and Meta would love to do).

Re: ChatGPT Search

#104

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

Honestly, if I can disable ads by paying them, then I'm ok with it. Google will suck all your data even if you pay, and link the entire earth of services to your identity. For now, chatgpt doesn't care, and I already pay for what they provide. May they kill Google. 20 years old me would freak out hearing me that, they used to be my heroes.

You can pay to get fewer ads

Re: ChatGPT Search

#105
post #46

Hah, OpenAI is becoming an ads business too. So much for something new, same old funding model for every centralized platform on the web.

If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

To make more billions

Re: ChatGPT Search

#106
post #46

Hah, OpenAI is becoming an ads business too. So much for something new, same old funding model for every centralized platform on the web.

If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

You can ask the same for ie Apple where you pay a proper premium for products, yet their ad business keeps growing slowly into respectable proportions, and not by accident.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#107

I really don't see the value of summarizing/repackaging web search hits. Given that 99% of SEO-tuned web content is just shilling for vendors who don't want to be seen, LLM search summarization will just repackage those ads into a more palatable format that is LESS useful than the original, while more successfully hiding the obvious signatures that used to be a clear warning sign that... THE.FOLLOWING.CONTENT.IS.MANI…

I think if they improve the algorithm maybe they can actually present seo free results.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#108
One thing that is quite unfortunate with the state of SEO and the web in general today is that when I asked "what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released?" a large amount of the sources were "13 Tools You Should Learn Now" and the like. This might be a solvable problem within the search API they provide to the LLM, but for now I wouldn't trust current LLMs to be able to filter out these articles as less trustworthy than the official website of the programming language in question.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#110
post #46

Hah, OpenAI is becoming an ads business too. So much for something new, same old funding model for every centralized platform on the web.

If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

they're not making billions from subscriptions
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