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Re: ChatGPT Search

#161

What I find incredible is that Google has had the knowledge and resources to do this for at least five years, yet they're still milking the "old cow". It reminds me of Intel sitting on their money while a near-bankrupt AMD sped past them.

Google has the web on its hands, but they also have Puchai which is a -100x multiplier.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I find myself being unable to search for more complex subjects when I don't know the keywords, specialized terminology, or even the title of a work, yet I have a broad understanding of what I'd like to find. Traditional search engines (I'll jump between Kagi, DuckDuckGo, and Google) haven't proved as useful at pointing me in the right direction when I find that I need to spend a few sentences describing what I'm looking for.

LLMs on the other hand (free ChatGPT is the only one I've used for this, not sure which models) give me an opportunity to describe in detail what I'm looking for, and I can provide extra context if the LLM doesn't immediately give me an answer. Given LLM's propensity for hallucinations, I don't take its answers as solid truth, but I'll use the keywords, terms, and phrases in what it gives me to leverage traditional search engines to find a more authoritative source of information.

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Separately, I'll also use LLMs to search for what I suspect is obscure-enough knowledge that it would prove difficult to wade through more popular sites in traditional search engine results pages.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#163

How long until advertisements are subtly introduced? I didn’t notice any specific brand of limoncello recommended in their demo.

I'd be happy to have another Google clone, that doesn't have a login and is not a chat session. Go to https://search.ai , type my search query and look through the results, with ads on the side.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

How many can you block and filter manually ? 10 ? 100 ? 10k ? Who will test sites for the blocklist ? The domain block feature is great but unless it's collaborative listing it's not gonna be super effective.

.... Test sites for the blocklist? What?

Also they do share the most blocked/raised/lowered etc sites: https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard

We've had this problem of "good defaults" before with ad trackers blocking domains. I'm sure it'll be Sooner than later when some community lists become popular and begin being followed en mass

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

Genuine answer: this was not made for you. There is a billion-to-trillion dollar addressable market, which you're not a part of. It was made for them.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

What I really hope this helps solve is covering for the huge lag in knowledge cutoff. A recent example is where it went "oh you're using Go 1.23 which doesn't exist so that's clearly the problem in your Dockerfile, let me fix that".

But I'm not keeping my hopes up, I doubt the model has been explicitly fine-tuned to double check its embedded knowledge of these types of facts, and conversely it probably hasn't even been successfully fine-tuned to only search when it truly doesn't know something (i.e. it will probably search in cases where it could've just answered without the search). At least the behavior I'm seeing now from some 15 minutes of testing indicates this, but time will tell.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#168
post #32

"Introducing" without actually just linking the search page. That's not an introduction, that's a teaser trailer. If they want this to be a viable search it needs to be available quickly, and anonymously from something quick to type in. Google would have been annoying as shit if you had to go to google.com/search , let alone then log in.

It's available today for Plus users at chatgpt.com.

Using search with log-in is pretty big red flag for me.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#169
post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system. [0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

OpenAI is Microsoft. Microsoft is a FAANG giant.

How is that relevant? Microsoft bought OpenAI, didn't create it by R&D, so the assertion stands: giants don't do new things, for whatever reason.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#170
post #142

Genuine question: is there a present or planned value proposition for people like me who already have decent search skills? Or are these really for children/elders who (without making any normative claim about whether this is a good thing or not) can't be arsed to perform searches themselves? Does someone else have good search skills but mingle traditional search engines with LLMs anyways? Why? I use LLMs every day b…

I think this is just the first step for a full-featured agent that not only does searches for you, but also executes whatever was your goal (e.g. a restaurant reservation, etc)
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