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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by pjmlp »

timeon wrote: post #196
pjmlp wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest issue we are facing now, it is that the same has happened ot the previous organization, League of Nations Union, which became useless to prevent WW II, UN was born after the war with the goal to be a better organisation than it predecessor. And here we are, at the edge of WW III, with an useless UN.

How would you imagine useful UN? Or do you just want to be without it?

First of all, one whose army is actually useful, there are plenty of examples of genocides where UN troops were present and nothing was done to prevent that.

A weapon only works as dissuasion if the agressor isn't sure it might be used, otherwise they might as well be holding paper sticks.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by aristofun »

I’m curious what’s exactly UN troops doing there?

And why they keep closing blind eye on the largest terrorist army in the world violating UN’s own agreements?

Also I wonder who benefits from them intentionally not moving out of harms ways and preventing israel from doing _their_ job of eliminating terrorists?

Genuine questions, not taking any sides.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

rendall wrote: post #189
catlikesshrimp wrote: post #125

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They being there has been informative. We know of israel attacking UN bases. We are yet to see Hezbolla militants holding white hats at gunpoint. Or at least hiding in a tunnel under a UN base

> Or at least hiding in a tunnel under a UN base You should balance your news consumption, because here is a terror tunnel within view of a UNIFIL observation center: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KPLphHpQfA This nonsense has been going on for years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpCIMs0Xpo

Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the telegraph is not a serious source of information (visit the frontpage anytime for proof). The other video is even worse.

I personally wait until CNN publishes such information. It is the only Israel biased news source I deem above fakenews.

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Post by aaomidi »

libertine wrote: post #165
aaomidi wrote: post #26

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Israel is has killed more innocent civilians in a year than the entire Russia Ukraine war fwiw

So you're dismissing Ukrainian soldiers, who have no choice but to defend themselves, their country, and their families from genocide?

No I was comparing the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by 7thpower »

tmnvix wrote: post #133
walleeee wrote: post #95

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> It is very clear that the current administration is backed into a corner and trying to make the best of the situation. This does not seem clear at all. What has led you to think so?

There are two points here. The first is due to AIPAC. I would say the second is debatable.

That’s fair.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Tostino »

dragonwriter wrote: post #120
throwaway9917 wrote: post #119

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I think you’re missing the point here. The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. The only reason Hezbollah exists is because of Israel. The reason the Houthis are attacking shipping is because the U.S. supports Israel. Being an ally to Israel has imposed huge costs on the U.S. and virtually no benefits. Many in the U.S. feel that protecting Israel is a moral cause, but it is undeni…

> The only reason the U.S. cares about Hezbollah is because they attack Israel. No, another is that they are proxies of Iran, which the US has problems with that go beyond attacking Israel.

Now go back a few years and take into account the US meddling with Iran. You'll notice some cause -> effect with our intended consequences coming back to bite us for decades.

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Post by rendall »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #203
rendall wrote: post #189

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> Or at least hiding in a tunnel under a UN base You should balance your news consumption, because here is a terror tunnel within view of a UNIFIL observation center: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KPLphHpQfA This nonsense has been going on for years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpCIMs0Xpo

Thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the telegraph is not a serious source of information (visit the frontpage anytime for proof). The other video is even worse. I personally wait until CNN publishes such information. It is the only Israel biased news source I deem above fakenews.

If you think of CNN as pro-Israel, no wonder you're so anti-Israel. Bypass the middle men altogether! Listen to Hamas directly! Listen to Israeli officials directly! Listen to everyone you can without preconceptions. Each party says very clearly exactly what they believe and what they are doing and what they want and how they plan to achieve it. Look for consistency and straight-forward statements of fact. Watch out when something affirms your preconceptions because that's when you are most vulnerable to being manipulated. When you listen to a Westerner, especially an American journalist, explain what Hamas, Palestine, Israel, Hezbollah or Iran is doing, they are filtering it through their own biases and preconceptions and are almost certainly flat-out incorrect.

Heck. Unfiltered man in the street interviews. You can't get more direct than that. Here are some. https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject/videos

Listen to the Israelis and Palestinians. They say very clearly and directly what they want.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by rendall »

aristofun wrote: post #202

I’m curious what’s exactly UN troops doing there? And why they keep closing blind eye on the largest terrorist army in the world violating UN’s own agreements? Also I wonder who benefits from them intentionally not moving out of harms ways and preventing israel from doing _their_ job of eliminating terrorists? Genuine questions, not taking any sides.

Reasonable questions. I wish I had answers.

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Post by edanm »

meiraleal wrote: post #184
edanm wrote: post #182

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> Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. I'm not sure you're right. Isn't this a bit hard to judge without first deciding what is true and what constitutes bias ? I'm fairly certain we don't agree with on either of these. Most Israelis consider things like the BBC and the NYT to be biased against Israel. Are you sure they're wrong?

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That is not what most Israelis think.

The fact that you so easily think this badly of an entire country speaks a lot about your own biased views.

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