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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

edanm wrote: post #171
jedimind wrote: post #83

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the israeli "human shields" narrative is pure hasbara and israeli projection anyway "The Israeli military has used Palestinians as human shields in Gaza, soldier and former detainees say" [ https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/24/middleeast/palestinians-h... ] "Over the years, the israeli military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields" [ https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields ] "Israel h…

> the israeli "human shields" narrative is pure hasbara and israeli projection anyway Saying this is, frankly, ridiculous. There is massive, extensive documentation of the vast tunnel networks and terrorist infrastructure hiding beneath and as part of civilian areas in Gaza (and in Lebanon, now). There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of Hamas cynically using actions that are bound to hurt civilians. You don…

> There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of Hamas cynically using actions that are bound to hurt civilians.

Correct, this is how guerrilla forces have always worked. Either their fighters get protection, or the colonial/occupying (from their perspective) power gets loads of bad PR.

I mean, when you look at the relative arms strength of the two forces, they'd be crazy not to do this.

Is this moral? 100% not. Is it understandable? Strategically, again 100%. yes.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Asparagus7426 »

meiraleal wrote: post #184
edanm wrote: post #182

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> Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. I'm not sure you're right. Isn't this a bit hard to judge without first deciding what is true and what constitutes bias ? I'm fairly certain we don't agree with on either of these. Most Israelis consider things like the BBC and the NYT to be biased against Israel. Are you sure they're wrong?

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Yeah those monsters that you're imagining are a brainchild of your echo chamber.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by timeon »

aaomidi wrote: post #26
Teever wrote: post #24

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And if you compare what Russia has done in the same time frame?

Israel is has killed more innocent civilians in a year than the entire Russia Ukraine war fwiw

What is the point of this victim Olympics?

Both things could be bad at the same time.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

weatherlite wrote: post #188
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #181

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I find it curious that your only engagement on HackerNews is defending Israel and never engaging on other technical topics.

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You are posting on a forum for technical discussion.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by timeon »

rendall wrote: post #141
leoh wrote: post #114

I have been flagged in this thread by merely re-iterating points mentioned in the Financial Times article. @dang — I doubt you’ll see this, but I would appreciate some help. This is pretty sad.

Me too, for giving context that the article elided. Flagging is supposed to mean "breaks guidelines" not "disagrees with my outlook". Strange that this is the only topic that inspires such zeal.

Not sure what ware you writing about in this thread. But this does happen in other topics as well.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by timeon »

pjmlp wrote: post #148
id00 wrote: post #74

Is that the same UN that has its secretary-general António Guterres shaking hands with Putin and Lukashenko this week? Let's be honest, UN is one of the most useless organization in the world (and been for a while, look at history of their Africa operations). By now their presense on ground with inability to actually do anything or help anybody is a liability (eg can't stop Hezbollah from launching rockets and using…

The biggest issue we are facing now, it is that the same has happened ot the previous organization, League of Nations Union, which became useless to prevent WW II, UN was born after the war with the goal to be a better organisation than it predecessor. And here we are, at the edge of WW III, with an useless UN.

How would you imagine useful UN? Or do you just want to be without it?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by weatherlite »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #194
weatherlite wrote: post #188

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You are posting on a forum for technical discussion.

Something tells me its my being pro Israeli that actually bothers you and not my ratio of tech to non tech engagement...

Also - genuinely curious what made you click on this article? And then engage me in it? If you're here only for tech news that is.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by zczc »

echoangle wrote: post #145
sterlind wrote: post #12

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Unifil has been there since the '70s, apparently. Their role was to monitor Israel's withdrawal and to assist the Lebanese government, to patrol the Blue Line and various humanitarian tasks. They're not a counterinsurgency force or an occupying army - as I understand it, they're a tripwire for treaty enforcement. Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. It's still immoral to kill noncombatants, just as it'…

> Also, you don't get to shoot through human shields. I am not saying it’s morally correct but from a war crime standpoint, I think you actually do. As longs as it’s proportional, you can attack combatants hiding under civilians, even if you kill civilians by doing that. At least that’s my understanding.

Yes, that seems correct: "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." - https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule97

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Post by zionistshill »

meiraleal wrote: post #184
edanm wrote: post #182

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> Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. I'm not sure you're right. Isn't this a bit hard to judge without first deciding what is true and what constitutes bias ? I'm fairly certain we don't agree with on either of these. Most Israelis consider things like the BBC and the NYT to be biased against Israel. Are you sure they're wrong?

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