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Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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> Huawei makes divorce from Android official What do I read as a non-native speaker? > Now you can divorce easily using Android phone from Huawei

"Divorce" here means "separate entirely". So > Huawei makes divorce from Android official means "Huawei has officially separated from Android and will no longer be using it in any way".

yeah, later I understood, but after a third or fourth reading...

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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3rd desktop os? There are many more than 2 desktop oss already, am I misunderstanding you?

I guess they mean proper as in significant marketshare.

I meant this proper as in significant marketshare.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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I would be more interested in a OpenHarmony Desktop version. If it picks up on mainland and Asia in general it would be a proper 3rd desktop OS.

3rd desktop os? There are many more than 2 desktop oss already, am I misunderstanding you?

I meant in potential marketshare, while linux is widely used for desktop(professional users), i wouldn't say it has a lot of marketshare tho. So consumer software support will be limited.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Yes, publishing confidential documents that expose government crimes, including war crimes. On the one hand, people argue for things like free speech and human rights, but on the other hand, the same people play petty semantics games to cover up their own society's shortcomings. Are you truly a supporter of free speech and human rights, or are you just anti-$OTHER_GROUP? Behavior like this are actively harmful to the…

The documents Assange published also included lots of information on civilians in places like Afghanistan who had worked against groups like the Taliban. That put those people at risk of retaliation. It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be relea…

> It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted.

This is the big difference I see with the Edward Snowden case, the papers that published the leaked documents attempted to redact any information that could put people at risk.

Assange and Wikileaks just went fuck it and didn't even try to stay politically neutral.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

At this point the Play Store is probably more valuable than Android for phone makers. It doesn't matter that Huawei has a new operating system, if it has no apps, or just lack the ones people really need. Depending on the country that's going to be some mobile payment options, banking apps, social media or government ID. If even one of those are missing, people will pick another brand, something with the Play Store.

The most popular apps in China will run on Huawei's OS. That's all Huawei really needs at the moment.

I just looked up WeChat and Douyin, for example, and they are working on HarmonyOS versions: [0].

0. https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3267411/huaweis-h...

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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exactly how we can read the MacOS, Windows and all the Google apps code that are bundled with virtually every Android phone, right?

Exactly how we can read source of Linux distros, GrapheneOS and multitude of other security focused Android forks, right.

Thanks for your 0.001% solution (which included me when I had a lot of spare time)

Now name a brand that sells grapheneOS phones

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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exactly how we can read the MacOS, Windows and all the Google apps code that are bundled with virtually every Android phone, right?

If you live in the west and criticise your government, nothing happens. If you live in China and criticise your government, even in private, you can go missing or end up in a camp

Nice try

But I don't live in China

Edit: anyway it's a false premise, China has 1.4 billion people living there, do you really think 1.4 billion people do not criticize ever the government? USA has the highest rate of incarceration per capita in the World, there a say that goes "the biggest prize a journalist can win it's not the Pulitzer, it's being killed by the CIA" the DoD is the largest emplyer in the world, NSA has the largest budget in the world, I do not believe it's all spent in defense (DoD used to be named department of war) and oversimplification doesn't really explain things it only keeps stereotypes alive IMO.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Indeed. I don't have much technical expertise in the kernel/OS space, but I wouldn't be surprised if the NEXT OS is better than Linux. On the other hand, their dev experience is akin to opening a router paper manual. There is an opportunity here but I am not sure how it can be unlocked.

But, do we somehow know that it isn't based on Linux? The fact alone that it will not run Android apps doesn't bar that.

I can only say that, going through the filesystem of the emulator, I saw a .so for SELinux, which makes me extremely suspicious

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

I disagree with "there's really no reason". The reason is so that app developers can easily recompile existing apps for their platform with some minimal changes. If their system is completely incompatible, then it's probably a much bigger effort to build apps from scratch and many companies might not do it.

In fact, due to the promotion of the Communist Party of China, almost all Chinese companies will adapt to Huawei's mobile phone system.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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I haven't seen anything to suggest that the new Huawei OS will use a unique kernel architecture.

a microkernel is already different to linux. the top answer on https://www.zhihu.com/question/640078375/answer/3367442919 suggests it was based on the Minix 3 μk, but the bottom answer claims it's greenfield development. (someone who cares more than I do could buy one of the devices listed in the middle answer and enlighten us as to what's on it?) EDIT: looks not-minixy to me, according to Huawei's OSDI slides: https…

It is not Minixy derivative, there is no Unix-like, it's access control is hybrid of traditional role based and capability-based on distributed OpenHarmony operating system base with a distributed file system, on a distributed operating system distro of HarmonyOS. And the kernel module structure is far different on MINIXY https://codedocs.org/what-is/minix-3 HarmonyOS 4.2 uses mature security defense mechanisms such as SELinux, Seccomp, Namespace, and Capability (iOS 17 uses Sandbox and Entitlement to achieve similar effects). HarmonyOS NEXT has designed a CAPABILITY SYSTEM on top of existing defense mechanisms to restrict access to kernel functions and verify IPC permissions.

In HarmonyOS NEXT, kernel objects are used as carriers for data transmission during IPC communication. The CAPABILITY SYSTEM ensures that only those with the capability to read from or write to kernel objects can receive or send messages through these objects. As a result, the content of messages cannot be accessed by malicious processes. DarkNavy ethical cybersecurity group in China tested Huawei's HarmonyOS Next custom kernel earlier this year with a report released in June. https://www.darknavy.org/blog/avss_report_kernel/ and the toolchain is exposed: https://harmonyoshub.com/harmonyos-next-leak-exposes-the-in-...

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