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Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

Another great example of the US shooting itself in the foot. I guess if we get more competition, its better for the consumer.

How does this hurt the US?

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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post #27

The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

I disagree with "there's really no reason". The reason is so that app developers can easily recompile existing apps for their platform with some minimal changes. If their system is completely incompatible, then it's probably a much bigger effort to build apps from scratch and many companies might not do it.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

#83
post #27

The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

At this point the Play Store is probably more valuable than Android for phone makers. It doesn't matter that Huawei has a new operating system, if it has no apps, or just lack the ones people really need.

Depending on the country that's going to be some mobile payment options, banking apps, social media or government ID. If even one of those are missing, people will pick another brand, something with the Play Store.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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> I wouldn't be surprised if the NEXT OS is better than Linux. I wouldn't be surprised if it's full of shortcuts with privilege escalations or contradicting exceptions. Not because it's Huawei, but because it's a single company developing BOTH the Operating System and the hardware it is supposed to be deployed in. When it comes to meeting a production deadline of a product, the pressure to apply a quick workaround is…

>it's a single company developing BOTH the Operating System and the hardware it is supposed to be deployed in That's what Apple has been doing for nearly 20 years now.

Sure but they've had time to refine theirs, and MacOS is based on MACH/XNU and OpenBSD, Huawei HarmonyOS NEXT is apparently fully new, so lots of ways things could go wrong

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't be surprised if the NEXT OS is better than Linux. I wouldn't be surprised if it's full of shortcuts with privilege escalations or contradicting exceptions. Not because it's Huawei, but because it's a single company developing BOTH the Operating System and the hardware it is supposed to be deployed in. When it comes to meeting a production deadline of a product, the pressure to apply a quick workaround is…

>it's a single company developing BOTH the Operating System and the hardware it is supposed to be deployed in That's what Apple has been doing for nearly 20 years now.

Yes, with a very limited portfolio and mainly shipping to end-users, after breaking compatibility on every major release for 20 years before that.

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If you expect that Huawei will:

delay a million-device mass-production for i.e. China Mobile because the project-team needs to wait for the platform-division to implement a fix in their common core and complete the entire release-process, for the project-team to then merge their code again on-top of this new release and start retesting the impact of all the other patches,

-> instead of:

the project-team just patching their fork of the platform, release a new build for China Mobile immediately and take a note to "deal with this later"

then you have not seen the reality of this industry yet.

Even Huawei's existing products are a multitude of forked and re-forked codebases with changes left and right, updated/outdated libraries and ever-pending merge-tasks. I don't expect this to suddenly change now

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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post #64

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Still nothing compared to china. But nice try.

What? Somehow people in the west getting arrested for protesting against genocide, is acceptable/redeemable just because another country is presumably worse??? Do you actually care about freedom/human rights at all or are you just abusing those concepts to feel superior relative to other countries and to play petty tribal us-vs-them politics?

Usually not arrested for protesting. It usually for trespassing or vandalisation or something else. Or sometimes something stupid like blocking traffic

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

#87
post #41

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As opposed to US spyware?

No such thing. Instead we have corporate America spyware. And America using court power to access corporate spyware data. You see this way America never gets spyware status. Neither does America get powerful enough that its backers become afraid of America.

>And America using court power to access corporate spyware data.

No, America doesn't need the courts to access the data from the corporations because the corporations just sell it to law enforcement.

Every single American company that touches computers has an enthusiastic side hustle as a snitch.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

#88
post #27

The article doesn't mention but it seems pretty relevant, Google kicked them from having the Play store etc on their phones a little while back as a result of political pressure so there's really no reason for them to care about Android any more.

At this point the Play Store is probably more valuable than Android for phone makers. It doesn't matter that Huawei has a new operating system, if it has no apps, or just lack the ones people really need. Depending on the country that's going to be some mobile payment options, banking apps, social media or government ID. If even one of those are missing, people will pick another brand, something with the Play Store.

I mean - developers for your platform have always been a huge driver (something something developers, developers, developers - Balmer).

But I think it's a mistake to assume that the Play Store is equivalent to your developer footprint for a platform.

Google has been fairly insidious about integrating OS level APIs with the Play Store, so that's blurred the line a bit here - but if the OS is otherwise "Android-like" enough that it's just a matter of choosing a different target in your build and linking to different binaries... it'll be very easy to port over the developer base that's interested.

Seems like Harmony is doing exactly that, and already has a large swath of companies that are planning to support the OS - so while some of that is likely because of government influence in this case... it's not required (ex - I'm thinking of Google and the whole lawsuit with Oracle around the Java APIs)

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Notably, this is a microkernel, multiserver operating system[0]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_NEXT

I find it interesting how Huawei was able to make a nearly brand new microkernel operating system in a short amount of time, meanwhile Google with Fuchsia... Despite it being Huawei, I am interested to see how well the OS plans out.

That is a good example of how politics are much more relevant than technical achivements, and anyone that dispels technology based on failure to gather mainstream adoption is lacking the whole picture.

Re: Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

#90
The irony of blocking technology is that when the blocked ones are big enough, eventually this isn't a problem, and it will only weaken the position of the blockers, as their influence gets reduced.

And who knows, maybe this is the seredepity point to end US monopoly on mobile OSes.

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