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Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by jonpurdy »

klabb3 wrote: post #103
jonpurdy wrote: post #8

For those who wear N95s on planes, I can confirm that 3M Aura 9205+ works great with Vision Pro※ and doesn't hinder using it at all, nor reduce comfort, at least for my head and face shape. ※ - Tested during my 30 min demo (more like 45 mins) at the Apple Store.

Not criticism, genuinely curious: why? I thought cabin air was exceptionally well cycled and filtered, much more so than other indoor spaces.

I used to think this especially since airlines touted how good the air filtration was when COVID hit.

It's actually quite poor and significantly worse than most indoor spaces I've entered (most spaces aren't great at around 800-1600ppm). On planes I've measured※ very high CO2 levels (1800-4000ppm), with the worst air during boarding and deplaning. This matches the findings of others (both amateur and professional researchers).

※ - using Aranet4

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by Quothling »

drcode wrote: post #160
Quothling wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your perception of what is being played inside the earbuds may be why you're confused about this. Around here it's extremely common for people to keep their earbuds in for short conversations, but everyone will pause and activate surrounding sounds while they talk. There are obviously assholes who don't, but in general it's completely normal to assume someone wearing earbuds is listening to you. Contradictory…

> in general it's completely normal to assume someone wearing earbuds is listening to you Just because you emphatically state that something is normal, that does not make it normal

I think it's a little disingenuous for you to take what I said out of the context I said it in, but you're right as far as it's in my anecdotal experience. Which is why I said "around here", but I guess I could've made it even clearer.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by wizardofaz »

fjuskpl wrote: post #73
walthamstow wrote: post #9

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Welcome to the forum. I think that's an unfair take. They say specifically that anything more than a very simple conversation (what would you like? tea please) and they'll take it off.

Take it off for all interactions with others, yes even “would you like a drink? Yes, tea”. Why is that simple interaction somehow exempted from “showing others respect”? Like is he too busy blasting porn into his retinas to take it off? Or has he paused whatever he’s using the headset for for even that interaction? Then why leave the mask on? The whole pass thru tech is so you can see a keyboard or pick up a cup or w…

There’s a high of friction for taking AVP off and on. It’s not as simple as locking/unlocking an iPhone or folding a laptop. Not only is the fit hard to get right, but it takes 3-5 seconds to unlock with OpticID. Might not sound like much, but it’s friction.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by dagmx »

jayd16 wrote: post #161
dagmx wrote: post #115

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What environment on a plane would someone be better out not tuning out? It’s a multi hour flight. I don’t know anyone around me, most are asleep. Many people already tune out the noise with their noise cancelling audio products. Why would it be weird to tune out the visuals too? The Vision Pro lets me also see people while wearing it and they can see my eyes. If I’m tuned out and someone approaches me they fade throu…

Well they probably mean it would be nice if people were bored enough to be friendly.

That would require a serendipitous level of

- sitting next to someone who you get along with and don’t run out of things to talk about for the entire duration of the flight

- neither one of you wanting to sleep or do anything else for the duration of the flight either

- not caring about the other passengers around you who might also want to sleep

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by jeffbee »

klabb3 wrote: post #103
jonpurdy wrote: post #8

For those who wear N95s on planes, I can confirm that 3M Aura 9205+ works great with Vision Pro※ and doesn't hinder using it at all, nor reduce comfort, at least for my head and face shape. ※ - Tested during my 30 min demo (more like 45 mins) at the Apple Store.

Not criticism, genuinely curious: why? I thought cabin air was exceptionally well cycled and filtered, much more so than other indoor spaces.

Airplane air is clean but there are just too many people aboard and for too long. Something like a quarter of all air travel passengers get a respiratory illness within a week. Some hypothesize that the incredibly low humidity of cabin air (in most aircraft, except the very newest) makes it easier to acquire infections. A face mask, in addition to its normal role, also solves this problem because it is very humid inside the mask.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by jonpurdy »

RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u wrote: post #114
jonpurdy wrote: post #8

For those who wear N95s on planes, I can confirm that 3M Aura 9205+ works great with Vision Pro※ and doesn't hinder using it at all, nor reduce comfort, at least for my head and face shape. ※ - Tested during my 30 min demo (more like 45 mins) at the Apple Store.

Slightly OT but I much prefer the 9211+: the vent[*] makes a difference in comfort when worn over long periods. Or the 9105 / 9105S which sticks out further away from the face, and its elastic design makes it a bit quicker to don / doff at checkpoints. [*] Yes I'm prioritizing my comfort over safety for others, but that's the American Way (tm), isn't it.

Thanks for this recommendation; I was considering ordering these for my next trip since they should fit the same as 9205+.

(I don't see an issue with wearing an exhalation vent next to folks who aren't wearing masks themselves. If they cared about the air they'd also be wearing a mask. If I sat next to someone wearing one I'd switch back to the 9205+.)

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by vunderba »

latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less.

While I appreciate the sentiment behind the statement, try living in an area where 90% of the environment is car stereos with subwoofers cranked so loud that you can practically see the air vibrating around you and get back to me. Given that (at least in the west), noise pollution is never really going to be properly legislated, the ability to tune it out is a god send.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by polo »

frankvdwaal wrote: post #163
keiferski wrote: post #60

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> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. Agreed 100%. Apologies for linking to my own essay, but I think this can be more generally stated as a difference between "isolated" and "integrated" arts. A device like the Vision Pro (and most tech devices, for that matter) is pushing society further and further into isolated chambers, and t…

I have a little unproven hypothesis that fits that last statement, that it would be absurd for a company like Apple to bring people together in the real world. My hypothesis is that these companies want to make money by "taking" your senses. They want your attention to be with them at all times, by being in your ear so you'll hear them, by being on your wrist so you'll feel them, by being on your eyes so you'll see t…

Very well put. I agree with you, and yet I still wouldn’t give up using my Vision Pro. Though I hope I’ll be able to draw the line at the Apple NosePods ;-)

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by aspenmayer »

latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

I read recently that Apple is working on foldables for 2026 and AR/XR glasses for 2027, and a non-pro Apple Vision I think next year?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-10-13/apple-...

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by PierceJoy »

talldayo wrote: post #135
macintux wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People used to get along fine with a magazine or book; that doesn't mean they weren't ready for something better.

If those uncertain people decide they want to distract themselves with VR, do you think they'll buy the $350 headset or the $3,500 one? I just don't see the market Apple envisions materializing. I'd expect 20 people to be using a Quest in economy before you see 2 people using a Vision Pro in business.

The author specifically says he believes people will be using the 4th or 5th iteration of the Vision Pro for this purpose. Why are you comparing prices of devices that won't exist for another 5+ years?
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