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Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by pmarreck »

DrillShopper wrote: post #75
pmarreck wrote: post #67

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I was a high school computer nerd in the 80's. They all said that about me then too, and I didn't care. But to your point, it will probably get slicker over time. For this one, they erred on the side of high fidelity, and they nailed it pretty well.

Oh, I have no doubt that it will get better over time, but I think people forget that part of the early adopter tax is often that you look like a fucking dork. Which in my mind isn't a bad thing - it shows that you're committed to making it work. There's something noble about that, wouldn't you say?

"early adopter tax"- love that, may have to borrow it

And you're right! And some of us will happily pay that! It is the _bleeding_ edge, after all.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by pmarreck »

tesch1 wrote: post #88
pmarreck wrote: post #62

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A little bit of reclining means the difference between my head drooping forward or to either side if I fall asleep (very uncomfortable) or staying in a vertical position with the weight slightly on the back of the head (far more comfortable). This is really a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game" (be mad at the airlines for packing people in like sardines, don't be mad at the people for trying to take a bit…

Or get mad at yourself for not paying for more space. Airlines are a business, and you chose that particular seat knowing full well ahead of time what the parameters of that purchase were. Would airlines be able to offer more space for more money? Sure they would. Would people pay for it? The market has already answered!

That's fair if you fail to consider that I am 6'3", my partner and child are much smaller, and I'd essentially be the only one to gain from such an upgrade while having to pay for 3x, unless I wanted to sit separately from them and endure much consternation. lol

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by macintux »

talldayo wrote: post #77
MPSimmons wrote: post #52

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I don't think it's a 1% problem, but it's a 40% problem: https://www.airlines.org/new-survey-nearly-90-percent-of-ame... 44% of Americans flew commercially in 2022.

80% of those people are flying economy class and already get along fine with earbuds and their phone. The remaining 20% that can afford something like Vision Pro almost certainly will choose not to.

People used to get along fine with a magazine or book; that doesn't mean they weren't ready for something better.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u »

jonpurdy wrote: post #8

For those who wear N95s on planes, I can confirm that 3M Aura 9205+ works great with Vision Pro※ and doesn't hinder using it at all, nor reduce comfort, at least for my head and face shape. ※ - Tested during my 30 min demo (more like 45 mins) at the Apple Store.

Slightly OT but I much prefer the 9211+: the vent[*] makes a difference in comfort when worn over long periods. Or the 9105 / 9105S which sticks out further away from the face, and its elastic design makes it a bit quicker to don / doff at checkpoints.

[*] Yes I'm prioritizing my comfort over safety for others, but that's the American Way (tm), isn't it.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by dagmx »

latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

What environment on a plane would someone be better out not tuning out?

It’s a multi hour flight. I don’t know anyone around me, most are asleep.

Many people already tune out the noise with their noise cancelling audio products.

Why would it be weird to tune out the visuals too?

The Vision Pro lets me also see people while wearing it and they can see my eyes. If I’m tuned out and someone approaches me they fade through.

Meanwhile someone with the headset can watch movies on a larger screen and feel less claustrophobic.

Re: Traveling with Apple Vision Pro

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Post by threetonesun »

moolcool wrote: post #93
nordsieck wrote: post #31

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> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. That may or may not be true in general, but air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in. Being in an extremely crowded environment with very little personal space is psychologically uncomfortable for a lot of people. And it's basically not possible…

> air travel is one of the most oppressive environments people regularly find themselves in How much of this would be solved by VR though? To me the unpleasantness of flying mostly comes down to physical discomfort. The seats are cramped, the air is dry, the food isn't great, the bathroom situation is uncomfortable, and you can't really walk around. VR would visually transport you somewhere else, but physically, you'…

As someone with generalized anxiety I hate almost every part of flying from the point at which I leave the house until I arrive, but none of what you mentioned bothers me terribly.

I'd be curious to try a device like this and see if it helps. I usually just use noise cancelling headphones and play a game or watch movies, which isn't too different from removing myself into VR, but I'm also aware that sometimes completely removing my sense of my surroundings can be more unnerving.

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Post by beepbooptheory »

latexr wrote: post #7

> Be it by train or by plane, it offers an unparalleled opportunity to selectively tune out your environment and sink into an engaging activity like watching a movie or just working on your laptop. The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. > But damn, based on how well it all works now, you can just tell by the 4th or 5th generation, Ap…

There is something subtle going on with the "passthrough" feature. All the marketing and fans continually point to it in a way that feels like tacit acknowledgement of this very point wrt "tuning out." We are all primed for full VR Wall-E experience machines to suck us up into our own world, but the future seems to be more and more about the overlay. Not replacing one picture with another, but just painting and filtering ontop of the original. Not "I am somewhere else right now", but "I am here, but I am doing something you can't see."

Which, I gotta say, is an even darker formulation at the end of the day! Like at least if we all plugged in and went the Oasis we are truly sharing some base experience of the place; or if its going to be solitary experience machines, at least those experiences would be holistically directed towards me in some consistent package; but with this stuff, you start to think about how much more ground these crooks can still take in stratifying the experience of simply the world itself as we perceive it.

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Post by JoshTriplett »

latexr wrote: post #78
tesch1 wrote: post #58

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My prediction is that airlines will start offering VR headsets much like they added seatback screens.

Lovely, just what we need: cheap devices with a motion-sickness-inducing laggy passthrough, poor resolution screens (when they work at all), covered in other people’s face grease.

Devices owned by someone else pointing a camera at your eyes and doing eye tracking...

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

digital-cygnet wrote: post #44
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #14

tangent, but: i think reclining your seat in economy class is incredibly selfish. i wish they'd weld them all.

It's always interesting when I see this take because I was raised the opposite way and was really surprised to learn a few years back from articles like [1] that some people consider this an etiquette breach. From what I can tell there are two populations: those who prefer to recline and those who prefer not to. As long as an entire column of seats belongs to one population you're fine (if everyone wants to recline n…

i do prefer to recline. i choose not to, even though the airline says that i am entitled to, because i know that reclining has a high likelihood of inconveniencing the person behind me (primarily due to loss of legroom and inability to use a laptop).

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Post by keiferski »

bbor wrote: post #101
keiferski wrote: post #60

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> The more time passes, the less I can shake the feeling that the world would be better if we tuned out our environment less. Agreed 100%. Apologies for linking to my own essay, but I think this can be more generally stated as a difference between "isolated" and "integrated" arts. A device like the Vision Pro (and most tech devices, for that matter) is pushing society further and further into isolated chambers, and t…

Thanks for sharing, I for one found it relevant! I've always found it somewhat monstrous how much art is in museum archives -- surely "showcasing stuff behind glass" is something our civilization can manage?? I'd quibble that what you're really pointing to here is capitalism, though. Architecture isn't monotonous because of our cultural attitude towards architects/Architecture, it's monotonous because capitalists bui…

I agree that the fundamental issue may simply be capitalism itself, but I am more prone to blame it on a kind of individualism, both in culture and in the nature of how corporations sell products as individual objects to individual people, and not to any larger social organization. (Except as a placeholder for a group of individuals.)

The difficulty is in imagining some kind of economic structure in which an Apple or Microsoft could make billions from selling products/services that are somehow public goods, or enhancing public spaces. We can conceive of top design minds at Apple spending billions to create a new personal computing device, but the same minds working on a way to improve public spaces – say, by removing graffiti easily, or planting trees easily – just somehow doesn't make sense or fit into the "types of things" they would do.

It may also just be a fundamental structural issue, as I talked about in the latter part of the essay. There are far fewer legal restrictions on individual objects than there are on spaces. I.e., while everyone can use an iPhone everywhere, using a device to remove graffiti would come up against all sorts of property rights laws.

It's quite a difficult topic to wrap one's mind around, at the end of the day. But yeah in general I agree that it's not necessarily individual bad actors, and incentives are a huge part of it.

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