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Managing distraction in an age where everything is at our fingertips is a hard task
Or we are at the fingertips of everything else..
This is why I think managing notifications is so important.
The phone ban has had a big impact on school work
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#92As essential as smoking ban. I won't be surprised to see this expanded to adult situations
It should've been expanded into driving a long time ago. There are laws against distracted driving but I still see people weaving around like they're drunk on the roads. When I look into the car they're usually holding a phone (on speakerphone) or holding it up to their ear. People suck at driving enough as it is without driving one handed and distracted.
They’re not even talking much of the time, they’re texting (or worse, scrolling some social media)
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#93It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…
I use my phone to look up words/concepts/references all the time while reading - I couldn't do without it, flipping through a dictionary or walking up to a computer to read a quick Wikipedia intro to a concept/person/place/etc would just get me far more distracted.
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#94Has anyone here tried the Haidt recommendation of "no smartphones till high school, no social media till 16" with their children? Is it better than just banning them in school?
The problem is if the school doesn't ban it, it's a lot harder for the parent to enforce. The child will either complain constantly about their friends having it, or just do it behind your back.
If there is a school ban, then enforcement happens at school too, making it harder to do behind your back, and the bulk of their social circle isn't on social media, avoiding the FOMO issues.
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It's not only distraction though. The phone is a window to the internet which offers all the knowledge of the world. And in 'my day' I spent a lot of time at the library which was full of thrillers and comics. And spent most of my time learning about computers and electronics. It's not an unprecedented problem and offers new offers new opportunities too.
Sure, but the quick dopamine fix that you can get from scrolling TikTok or Twitter is way more corrosive than reading long form content in a library.
I simply don't use either. never have, never will. they do not serve my purpose, so they are irrelevant to my life.
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Qualitative observations can often also be useful, even if they can’t be relied upon as proof.
Sure but not when there's a direct conflict of interest. I'd also wager he has loads of data on things like test scores and if he says there's nothing conclusive it likely means the data shows no change.
I’d wager he has less data than you think, and even less knowledge of how to analyze it. Like most local school programs, I can pretty much guarantee this was a “let’s see how it goes” and the success metrics were qualitative, not test scores.
If students were more attentive, more enthusiastic, etc., those would not be numbers that you could report, but would absolutely be positive results.
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I hear you, but not all “reading time” is equal. > For example, a student could be reading a bunch of fiction on their phone, thereby reducing their time in the school's library. That would be a great exception, but very much not the norm. Most kids are not reading long-form books or fiction on their phones.
Also, all reading time in the school library won’t be equal. If the school insists on only certain reading time being valid they ought to just force kids to read a specific set of books. (My personal preference would be for fundamentally less coercive education.)
Sure. But I can pretty much guarantee the likelihood of finding worthwhile reading material in the school library is significantly higher than the likelihood of finding it on TikTok or X.
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#99I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…
Phones make for poor reading devices. My girlfriend spends a lot of time reading light novels on her phone, and I don't understand how. The small format, constant scrolling, and the presence of ads on many apps and sites makes the experience look miserable. I don't know how many kids are using the paid versions of their reading apps, let alone reading long-form content at all.
There's been a few studies suggesting reading on paper is better for retention than reading on screens, and I've found one suggesting the size of the screen makes a further difference, but it looks like the latter may have some conflicting findings as well.
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#100It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…
I use my phone to look up words/concepts/references all the time while reading - I couldn't do without it, flipping through a dictionary or walking up to a computer to read a quick Wikipedia intro to a concept/person/place/etc would just get me far more distracted.
There’s always a reason why we “need” our phone at all times, isn’t there?
For the purposes of public policy (where schools are concerned), or even holding a meeting at work, what should be the best recourse?