The number of 'smart' people in this thread advocating for the use of a drug instead of doing the obvious which is STOP EATING JUNK FOOD is staggering.
Also the article is nothing more than a pharma ad.
Idiotic and corrupt.
How long til we're all on Ozempic?
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#762Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.
It's not a miracle drug. Check this Joe Rogan interview to understand at a deep level all the problems with a drug like Ozempic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0lTyhvOeJs
I know this going to be blasfemy but the real problem here is carb addiction and we should be treating the root cause not the symptoms with a drug with unpredictable long term consequences.
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#763As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…
> Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse? "Getting fit and staying fit" is a form of social capital, because it's extremely hard and only within reach of a small portion of the population. "Being fit" is strongly aligned with "being attractive" which confers all sorts of cross-cutting…
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#764Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?
Something like 15% of the world lives in extreme poverty. This is darn near the best it's been in the history of the world (there used to be much more poverty by percentage), but this group would likely have trouble being fit. They might be skinny, but surely not fit. Ignoring that extreme the questions maybe different: How many hours does a median person have free from work, commute, and sleep? How much time must be…
I don't understand, impoverished people aren't taking Ozempic, either.
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#765I've been on tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 4 months now. I'm down 13% of my body weight. I realized that frequent cannabis consumption interferes with the weight loss, so I've kicked the habit from daily to occasionally on weekends. I've started walking 2-3 miles a day, 2-3 days a week regularly, in addition to eating less and being more motivated to calorie count. All this to say, this drug has been life changing for m…
Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...
I've got to say, pretty frustrating seeing answers like this. It just completely ignores all the real, valid difficulty that people have in fighting obesity. If you "just" follow this diet, that requires discipline, strong will, buying correct supplies, 2h of cooking a day, measuring, counting, adhering to strict eating timeline, for months (years for some people), you'll be golden! There is plenty of research into behaviour changes with obesity and mechanisms that prevent good decision making etc - apart from just the practicality of all of the above in one's daily life with work, kids...
I see in other replies that you've had success in losing weight, and congratulations - but that doesn't mean it can work for everyone else.
I don't look at any kind of "pill solution" lightly, and absolutely think lifestyle changes should be made as well - but I can definitely see how medication like this can help get people on track and get back control. It's very encouraging to hear about psychological effects in terms of self-control, decision making etc. I'm just worried that we'll discover serious negative side-effects before too long, as with previous attempts.
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#766Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse? "Getting fit and staying fit" is a form of social capital, because it's extremely hard and only within reach of a small portion of the population. "Being fit" is strongly aligned with "being attractive" which confers all sorts of cross-cutting…
I would say my concerns are far more in the range of downstream effects from the medication. Specifically, I am concerned with muscle retention. Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. How can it be argued that the cause is anything other than behavior when so many others are doing just fine? There is more to this sto…
The “more to this story” is likely endocrine disruptors in addition to (and associated with) the other “behavior” issues you’re alluding to.
And our answer to it is… another endocrine disruptor. But this time we’ll call it something else (GLP-1 agonists) and laugh all the way to the bank.
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#767Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think overweight people don't know why they're overweight? There are plenty of obese people that understand nutrition just fine, there are obese people who understand it well enough to have lost significant weight and gained it all back. Clearly there is something else going on that we haven't grasped yet.
Understanding nutrition, and eating habits in practice, are two very different things. Regaining weight is the primary issue really. Most people are capable of losing weight, but gain it back, and it gets harder going forward. Metabolic adaptation is better understood now and among the factors (.e.g increasing caloric intake too quickly after weight loss), but falling into old habits that are culturally ubiquitous is…
That’s kinda part of my point. Cutting yourself off from drug enablers is one thing. Cutting yourself off from your friends and family is another. Especially since eating is something you can’t not do, and is deeply tied to cultural and social customs of everyone. It is impossible to live and never be offered an unhealthy food choice no matter how much support and good decisions there are. Conversely, it is very easy to live my life without being offered heroin.
Plenty of overweight people really, really, really want to lose weight and do all of the right things, but report that it is difficult to impossible to maintain the weight loss. Many of them gain the weight back, and this is crucial, but don’t continue gaining past a certain point. Combine that with the very regional nature of obesity and I think that there is a VERY strong case to be made that there is an environmental or external cause of obesity that we haven’t identified yet (junk food is too simple of an explanation, and doesn’t adequately explain everything).
The point I’m getting at is that a lot of these drugs also yield some sort of drastic behavioral change like a reduced indulgence in other impulsive harmful behaviors. I really think that there is something that is throwing us out of whack behaviorally, and obesity is a symptom of that.
The fact that a hormonal correction is able to fix both obesity and other addictions is a very interesting result.
Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?
#768My wife was interested in taking the Ozempic route, and I am not fond of drugs. We then started intermittent fasting together as a lifestyle, and it's been great. Losing weight while not restricting what we eat and feeling great as our body adapts and doesn't let us overeat. I just wonder about the long-term effects, but I'd rather take this risk than a drug like Ozempic.
We did this, this happened to us: after a while you or her may get extremely obsessed with food and eventually get to the point where you overeat as a form of 'freedom' until you just can't stop. IF works until it doesn't, then it REALLY doesn't work. My wife had a breakdown before we realized something was incredibly wrong. YMMV.
Thank you, I’ll pay attention to that.
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#769Earlier quoted context omitted.
My view about obesity has shifted dramatically since Ozempic came out. Before this, I didn't think about it too much (I am not obese myself). I notice now that there is a LOT of judgement, bias(?), around obesity, that people, obese or not, carry with them [1]. I certainly carried that bias, and the reason I noticed it was because Ozempic is literally an external substance that you take that simply makes obesity go a…
For me, personally, it's that we don't really know the long term effects of these drugs ie are you actually "healthier". But we do know that diet and exercise work.
> But we do know that diet and exercise work.
Sure - if you ignore the incredibly poor % of people who comply with a prescription of diet and exercise. If you include compliance then the drugs are way way way ahead.
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#770Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a miracle drug that helps with all afflictions that come with our modern life/sedentary living.
The problem with this (and all diet plans/drugs) is the lifestyle that led to problem in the first place. If you do not change your lifestyle, for real and not just superficially, then you will relapse with a vengeance. That is to say, be careful with using a drug as a crutch. Sure, it can artificially make you much more interested in not consuming so many calories and/or perhaps being more active than before - but y…
The genetics of hunger are fascinating, people literally feel very different levels of hunger.
My family are mostly all quite fit and healthy, but this is because exercise and dieting are a cultural obsession in my family to an un-mentally healthy extent, because as I understand through conversation with others
We feel an unusually high level of hunger, I can be full to bursting and hunger does not stop. I tried semaglutide, it was the first time I can recall ever feeling the absence of hunger.
To think that my family and I are likely nowhere near the top of the hunger spectrum astonishes and horrified me