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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Schiendelman »

presentation wrote: post #654
llamaimperative wrote: post #256

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GP isn't talking about self-control, they're talking about the fact we've created a system that requires obscene amounts of self-control if you wish to maintain physical health. People in the 50s weren't slimmer because they had ironclad determination to stay such.

Living in Japan has made it clear to me that cultural attitudes towards food make all the difference. It’s not like there’s a dearth of delicious things here, but obesity rates are more or less a rounding error.

There's a confounding factor to your theory: people in Japan are dramatically less likely to use a car for door-to-door travel. The amount of walking a Japanese person does burns a huge number of calories that most people in the US simply don't burn.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by leoh »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #655

So basically eat shit and then take drugs to lose the weight you accumulated because of your bad diet ?? Am I the only one to realize how this is so wrong? You would think When a pipe leaks, you fix it. You're not going to put a basin under it, empty it every day, pay for a new basin every few week and continue to have your damn pipe leak. Oh man... If only you could teach people how to eat better instead.

You are wrong because being overweight means that your endocrine system is very messed up and can make it extremely difficult to make meaningful changes to your diet and habits. Take a look at the preponderance of folks who have taken GLP-1s here and have affected tremendously positive changes to their diet and exercise habits.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by phillipcarter »

archsurface wrote: post #601
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

You mention types of food but not quantities. A boat load of healthy food is still going to have an effect. Also, I for one don't consider walking to be exercise. It's fake exercise for people who don't like exercise to claim they exercise. My reason is that I cycle for eight months of the year then walk during the rainy months. By the end of the rainy months I get back on the bike and my fitness level is catastrophi…

Can't speak for OP, but generally speaking there's a lot of variability in peoples' perceptions of healthy food and caloric density. For example, a lot of people see nuts as health food, and yet they're some of the most calorically dense foods you can eat! Another example would be to crack open the Ottolenghi cookbook and make the delicious Lamb Siniyah, which among other things calls for a large amount of Tahini mixed with lemon juice to create a delicious crust over the top of the stew. Delicious, but incredibly calorically dense.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Schiendelman »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #310
acabal wrote: post #276

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The more important point the comment you're replying to makes is not "what if people could diet and exercise" - i.e. accept the modern American lifestyle as given, plus force yourself to go to the gym and eat chicken and broccoli - but rather that the modern American lifestyle in fundamentally structured to lead to people being overweight. Instead of being forced to drive everywhere for the most basic possible human…

My 1950+s grandparents drove everywhere and were fit. When we try to shoehorn so many agendas into one thing nothing gets resolved. It's also part of why so many people distrust everyone's agenda and truthfulness nowadays. Also 1940s America was mostly rural, not huge crowds of people walking together.

In the 1940s, a huge number of Americans walked because fuel was rationed for the war.

I'm not sure you could really find data to back your anecdotes.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by arijo »

fortran77 wrote: post #675
arijo wrote: post #573

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Cut on carbs and you will have all the benefits without the nasty side effects. Check https://metabolicmind.org for details. My own experience with the keto diet - https://www.feelingbuggy.com/p/finding-hope-after-decades-of...

This is true, but fat people have a hell of a time cutting out all carbs. For many of them, they'll eat the "low carb" option, and then have an occasional binge and it negates any benifits of low carb, and doesn't put them in ketosis, etc. I strictly maintain my weight. If I catch it going over over 155# (I'm a 5'10" 61 year3 old male) I'll do a strict cut. And I know that either strictly counting calores OR going to…

I’m 1.78m, 50 years old, my initial weight 2 month ago before I started the keto diet was 154kg and two months later I’m almost 130kg. Eating the same amount of calories as before.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

pfdietz wrote: post #301
dopylitty wrote: post #221

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I'm curious why you include antibiotics in your trusted medications list. Over the past several years we've found that antibiotics have a huge impact on beneficial microbes in your body which then has downstream impacts on your health [0]. Oddly enough for the topic in this article exposure to antibiotics as a child may be linked to obesity[1]. They are also extremely over prescribed for things like viral illnesses […

> I'm curious why you include antibiotics in your trusted medications list. Because bacterial infections can be horribly lethal?

Can be, sure, but most are just unpleasant and you'll eventually recover. Why not just do it the natural way?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by hilux »

sureIy wrote: post #527
hilux wrote: post #434

Living a healthy lifestyle, so that you won't need Ozempic, is possible - even surrounded by all the drugs and booze and carbs. I do it. Lots of people do it. The information is freely available, now more than ever. From all I've read, Ozempic isn't a silver bullet, and has many side effects. It just helps people stave off the inevitable for a while.

> The information is freely available, now more than ever You have to believe it to find it. Noise is everywhere, now more than ever. I think finding proper information is going to be exponentially harder. A couple of days ago I was "fighting" on Reddit about something that is as clear as day, with proof and all, with people who were completely sure of the opposite (side note: this is when I deleted my Reddit account…

Oh, I agree with you.

I just read that MTG and other Republican operatives are tweeting that hurricanes are created by the US government; now the MAGA want to kill meteorologists.

And despite all this, Trump has a 50-50 chance of winning the election.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by Schiendelman »

Gee101 wrote: post #403
eastbound wrote: post #312

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I’m not obese, just before (1m75 / 82kg) but I have found self control impossible, except when I do intense sports (like musculation 3-6 times a week). Then only, and this is the magic part, I not only eat less, but also enjoy being more brave, with cold showers, being hungry, going to bed early and other efforts in life.

What is musculation?

A transliteration for lifting.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by rootusrootus »

grecy wrote: post #454
honkycat wrote: post #123

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Good for you man. 40% of the US is obese, we need a solution for better health outcomes.

You make it sound like it’s out of your control. The solution is already there. It’s free. It works for everyone, and even 60% of people in the US are doing it! The right answer to being healthy is not more drugs.

> 60% of people in the US are doing it!

25% is the number you were looking for, and even within that group I think you'd find plenty of people with a healthy BMI that are in fact not living a healthy lifestyle.

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