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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by porbelm »

ETH_start wrote: post #503
porbelm wrote: post #472

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If you can't recognize his contributions I think you're too emotionally attached to the question.

I do recognise his major contributions: Made electric cars commonplace sooner than I thought with the Model S, financed SpaceX's doubtlessly awesome progress, and... well that's pretty much it.

Thing is, the illusion is fading, his previously "inscrutable" politics are on his sleeve, and you can't just pretend he's not a complete liability for any company because of his irrational, and frankly childish, behaviour.

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Post by ihumanable »

porphyra wrote: post #157
mplewis wrote: post #120

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Wow, great! They put motors and wheels on a chassis with a screen and hardcoded them to drive in a loop. So impressive.

The demo is open to the eventgoers and lets you choose your destination. It's quite polished and a lot more advanced than "hardcoding to drive in a loop".

I saw a video from people in the car. The screen allowed them to pick between 2 different destinations. It’s not like they could just punch in any old address.

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Post by abduhl »

ben_w wrote: post #515
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The fact I work on self-driving cars makes me a tiny bit more of a realist than someone who thinks CLIP is proof of what AI can and can't do...

So your job is to, in your own words, be "replicating 6 million years of evolution"? You know how big your own team is, and that your team is itself an abstraction from the outside world. You know you get the shortcuts of being able to look at what nature does and engineer it rather than simply copy without understanding. You know your own evolutionary algorithms, assuming you're using them at all, run as fast as you…

Not to be rude but you're arguing with somebody that works in what I would assume is a highly mathematical space and asserting your opinion on how quickly that highly mathematical space can advance while your own profile admits that you were unable to understand "advanced calculus or group theory" and your own github indicates that you are stuck on "the hard stuff — abelian groups, curls, wedge products, Hessians and Laplacians" because you "don't understand the notation." Your opinion on the speed of advancement just doesn't seem informed?

Maybe this is an old post and your understanding has dramatically improved to the point where you're able to offer useful insight on ML/AI/self-driving?

https://benwheatley.github.io/blog/2024/03/11-12.00.16.html

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by diamondfist25 »

silexia wrote: post #552

HN is packed now with Elon Musk haters after the mass firings at Twitter. Anything related to him or his companies has long lists of negative comments. Bitter grapes? Even if Elon cured cancer, there would be haters for his politics and business approach.

I don’t understand why people hate him. But this just shows the wokeness and naiveness of this industry — socially inept people who can only strike keyboards and habe 0 critical thinking on their own

O wait I just described the entire SF and tech industry

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by vessenes »

FireBeyond wrote: post #708
vessenes wrote: post #703

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Maybe. But on what version of FSD? Recent ones are radically better than older ones. And of course roads and situations vary.

12.5.3, so :( https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving...

I just took it on the way home, (1 mile), and I disengaged it. But I'm not sure if I needed to; I was in a roundabout and somebody tried to wedge in from another direction; the car braked, but I decided it was safer to accelerate through. So, now I'm down to at least 1 in 500 :p

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by grecy »

FireBeyond wrote: post #677
grecy wrote: post #606

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> I agree that Tesla's biggest mistake was doing Cybertruck before the $25k car. While a $25k EV seems to be what we all want and is almost guaranteed to be a massive hit, there is no evidence such a thing can be done yet without losing money on every sale. Why isn’t any other car company doing it? Rivian are losing money on every car sold at 4 times the price.

> Why isn’t any other car company doing it? No other car company offers it, or promises it's coming next year, or ... Similarly, who actually believes a $39,000 CyberTruck will EVER appear? Crickets?

so, you're just agreeing that it makes no sense to have made a $25k car before Cybertruck... which is exactly what I was saying.

> who actually believes a $39,000 CyberTruck will EVER appear?

That was the estimated pricing announced before COVID and the associated inflation wasn't it?

Since then the released prices are significantly different.

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Post by Mawr »

gniv wrote: post #377
pr337h4m wrote: post #330

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Humans don’t use lidar, which clearly shows that a vision-only robotaxi is very much feasible.

Think of pile-ups. No matter how good a driver you are there are situations where you cannot prevent crashing. But lidar can.

Pile ups happen because people drive:

- Over the speed limit (it's called a limit for a reason)

- Too fast for the conditions (speed limit != speed target)

- Too close to the vehicle in front of them

There are very few situations that can't be prevented by driving properly in the first place.

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Post by diamondfist25 »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #489

Man I really have to stop reading hackernews comments, its a total bummer. His companies are making rockets, autonomous humanoid robots and autonomous cars, I will cut my left pinky finger to work on any of those, and this is my capslock finger, so I will have to switch away from emacs.. With the worldlabs[1] work maybe they unlock models that do have even better spatial world model and can be used label data even be…

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Post by huijzer »

peutetre wrote: post #466
huijzer wrote: post #423

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> with little to nothing to show for today Although they didn't "show" it on the event, Tesla self-driving is steadily improving each month. It is now also available on the Cybertruck, and the miles per intervention metric is steadily improving. You can find many videos on YouTube. Note that this are real cars on the real road.

The problem is Tesla and Musk have been lying about full self-driving for years: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ In 2016 Tesla said that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver." That was a lie: https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-pos…

I donno. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes in your examples they were not completely honest. That’s true. But they have been innovating and shipping real products too which really work in the real world. If I have to choose between a company that does not innovate and never lies, and one that innovates but sometimes lies, then I think I rather have the lying innovator. At least as long as the lies come from a certain optimism and ambition. If the lies come from fear mongering then I’m not so interested.

Having said that, I agree fully that taking the full self driving money in the order of thousands of dollars and not delivering is highly problematic.

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Post by dom96 »

andsoitis wrote: post #595
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> In contrast, restricting free speech involves preventing someone from expressing their views or censoring content outright. You mean like suing people for saying true things, and encouraging the government to criminally investigate for people for saying the same? Because that is exactly what Musk has done in the past year.

I’m not saying anything about Musk. I’m simply saying that it is false to claim that attaching a warning to something is restricting free speech. Two good examples are the government warning on tobacco product or cancer-causing warnings in public spaces. These are warnings and do not constitute restriction of free speech.

The warnings undoubtedly come with a derank in the Twitter algorithm, so it's very much not the same.

But if you want to get really technical then this isn't even about "free speech". A platform restricting speech has nothing to do with "free speech" as it is defined in the US constitution. That's all about governments creating laws that punish people for certain speech.

But hey, we're in a world where Elon spouts nonsense about being all about "free speech" so the world has lost that meaning anyway.

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