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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by guax »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #37
j7ake wrote: post #14

They haven’t even gotten self driving working with driver still at the wheel, how are they supposed to convince us that they can do fully autonomous?

I use it every day, but HN says it doesn’t work

Would you trust it without a break pedal and steering wheel you can take control over? How confident you are Tesla can deliver this within one or two years? If your answer is not a resounding yes for both this product its as good as nothing at this stage. Considering Tesla track record of delivering on timelines and expectations for this kind of tech.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by BoorishBears »

danjl wrote: post #664
BoorishBears wrote: post #508

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The fact I work on self-driving cars makes me a tiny bit more of a realist than someone who thinks CLIP is proof of what AI can and can't do...

I'm curious. Can you elaborate on what CLIP proves about what AI can and can't do?

My point is that it doesn't.

The fact your phone can identify an object doesn't inform you on the capabilities of self-driving car's vision stack. It's complete non-sequitur.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by vessenes »

FireBeyond wrote: post #674
vessenes wrote: post #431

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I've had FSD (as branded by Tesla) for probably five years; it's gone from "actively trying to kill you constantly" to "very, very, good" to "probably safer than my teenager (who is a good driver)". I banned my current youngest driver from using the old version, but encourage use of the latest version for night driving -- it's really excellent. In most circumstances, it's probably a better driver than me. That said,…

> and needed a quick recovery. We seem to be at stuff like that every thousand or so miles, down from every mile five years ago. it is WAY WAY WAY ahead of any other car I've driven or ridden in that can be bought. That's orders of magnitudes better than other FSD users. Independent testing of over 1,000 miles through Southern California required 77 interventions, at an average of once every 13 miles. I suspect your…

Maybe. But on what version of FSD? Recent ones are radically better than older ones. And of course roads and situations vary.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by fragmede »

modeless wrote: post #339
cinntaile wrote: post #315

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There is no reason for him to burn bridges so being bullish doesn't really mean much imo. It sounds like what any socially capable person would say. To me it feels like the traditional auto manufacturers are catching up to Tesla and now they need the next hype to stay ahead of the game. It keeps the stock price high. I am aware this is not a new goal though. I very much doubt it's within reach by 2027. I'm happy to b…

Check the video here. https://youtu.be/hM_h0UA7upI?si=Tt9HqQoxceXKHmiI&t=140 He's not just politely saying he likes Tesla, he's talking for 5 minutes in detail about exactly why he believes Tesla is ahead of Waymo and will beat them to scale.

He's forced into supporting vison-only sensors as superior for political reasons but humans can't see in the dark. I don't want a self driving car that's as good as me at night, I want one that's better.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by FireBeyond »

iknowstuff wrote: post #8
Animats wrote: post #3

The Verge has good coverage. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/10/24267132/tesla-robotaxi-...

not good at all. doesn’t mention the mini-bus which is large enough to stand in. said fsd was “recalled” but what really happened was the driver monitoring software was updated.

This kind of pouting does no favors. I had a recall on my Lincoln which was "place this sticker with a sentence of text on it at the bottom of page 254 of your owner's manual", about the ability of objects to move through space from the 'trunk' to the passenger area if the passthrough area is open in the event of a collision.

Nothing touched the vehicle at all, even electronically, so you could argue it was even less of a recall than some of the Tesla recalls, but there you have it.

You'll survive. Tesla will survive. It's a recall.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by hintymad »

binoct wrote: post #186

They claim that unsupervised autonomy in existing cars will arrive in California and Texas next year (with an easy bogieman that it will depend on regulatory approval), but no details as to what exactly this would mean. It’s possible that they might be able to get an Level 3 product out similar to offerings by the likes of Daimler, Cadillac, and Ford - where on certain highways under certain conditions you don’t have…

> basically FSD as it is today but without anyone in the driver’s seat.

I thought Elon said it would be L4 FSD with only vision, but it'll be available later. If he can deliver it, then a $25K L4 robotaxi certainly will have an advantage over Waymo's $200K mod. Well, I guess the stock market believes it's more of a vaporware than reality.

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Post by porphyra »

maximinus_thrax wrote: post #175
porphyra wrote: post #39

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Do you not see those driverless Cybercabs driving around without a steering wheel? At least that's a development that we haven't seen in the past 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRitZlhL3OQ - 6 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2aNJCsfrP0 - 10 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITK3qaaHQ8 - 4 years ago

And none of those shows a Cybercab. What's your point?

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Post by FireBeyond »

vessenes wrote: post #703
FireBeyond wrote: post #674

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> and needed a quick recovery. We seem to be at stuff like that every thousand or so miles, down from every mile five years ago. it is WAY WAY WAY ahead of any other car I've driven or ridden in that can be bought. That's orders of magnitudes better than other FSD users. Independent testing of over 1,000 miles through Southern California required 77 interventions, at an average of once every 13 miles. I suspect your…

Maybe. But on what version of FSD? Recent ones are radically better than older ones. And of course roads and situations vary.

12.5.3, so :(

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/09/tesla-full-self-driving...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by grecy »

karlgkk wrote: post #696
grecy wrote: post #651

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I agree. And the very important question is how quickly is it improving? What if it’s one an hour now, one a day next year and one a week in 2026?

That is a very important question, to be honest. And it definitely seems like it's getting more and more difficult for all of the self driving companies to reach "that next step". > What if it’s one an hour now, one a day next year and one a week in 2026? That is a MASSIVE "what if". What's if it's 2036? What if it's 2056? Hell, if it's 2030 then Tesla is in _serious_ trouble.

Absolutely.

That right now is THE multi-billion dollar Tesla question.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by porbelm »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #487
porbelm wrote: post #475

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There are videos of people shooting holes in it with 9mm at least.

I've seen a few where it stopped 9mm. e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5EyKMqGGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOteg0J5teg Do you have links to those videos where it fails? Besides, 9mm and .22lr are very different things. .22lr is one of the very weakest ballistic threats. 9mm has much more mass, usually more velocity, and a much higher (~3x higher) average KE load.

Yeah of course I can't find it now, there was some lame Youtuber memelord that let his buddy shoot at it with a handgun and at least one bullet went through. But I also see that it can resist it, so IDK and retract my statement.

I do know the difference between the calibers though, having shot a few different weapons in different calibers (as a hobby & in the military)

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