I still remember creating my first html page back in the 90s. It felt really magical creating it with just Notepad - changing the bgcolor of a page to red or blue or whatever, was amazing.
Same here; I stumbled on HTML for the first time in the '90s. I started with HotDog from the CDs that came in the magazines. https://brajeshwar.com/2024/hotdog-sausage-software/
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#202I love the idea and I'm thrilled to see more sites like this out there. But I do think this assumes a level of computer literacy that isn't consistent with typical, non-technical users. Step 1 starts with: > Pick a location on your computer and create a folder. Call it my-site or something similar. You've already lost the vast majority of people right here. There are a shockingly large number of people out there that…
If this is true then it's very sad. Is this what people have been reduced to? I would have been able to follow these instructions as a child (in fact I did build my own website when I was 10). Are you sure it's this bad, though, or are you not giving people the benefit of the doubt? How can it be this way? Is it due to people using cloud apps for everything?
In the past tech education felt useless because teachers were so far behind, maybe it’s time to revisit now because now the younger generation is far behind.
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But they manage files and folder on their smartphone too.
Anecdotally, I don't know anyone that uses files on their iPhone, and I don't really understand it myself either.
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I think CSS and JS should be things the user graduates to when they decide they need them, if they ever do. Show someone basic HTML and most people will eventually look at their page and think, “this is neat, but how to I make this title red and change the background?” This is when to introduce the very basics of CSS. If someone has a goal the learning process is easier and more exciting, because it’s relevant and al…
I think teaching all 3 at once is better. You can take a really simple vertical slice to demonstrate how they interact to compose the DOM. Then, spend the next 2 weeks inside dev tools explaining how to navigate the DOM and browser state. Establishing mapping between dev tools and the examples is where self sufficiency becomes feasible. I agree you can pretty much get there with plain HTML academically and in concept…
Remember, the goal isn't to make everyone a competent developer, just enabling everyone to participate without going through a corporation for basic web services.
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#206Is HTML ever actually defined in the beginning of this book? There’s a reference to what the acronym expands to when tags start getting introduced but the chapters before this never come out and say “HTML stands for HyperText Markup Language, and here are three sentences that very briefly explain what that means; we’ll be exploring that in much more detain in the coming chapters.”
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#208Well done! I really like how you make people write bare text, publish it and bam, that works, just like this, and how you ease into html. The text is very well written, straightforward, welcoming, well structured. It seems easy and enjoyable to read. I believe that putting html in non professional hands is a good goal. Some feedback: - About , it seems to be introduced quite late. People comfortable with English but…
Don't you actually need to set something in the text editor to save it as UTF-8 in the first place if you are going to put that tag? Wouldn't Notepad for example use UTF-16 by default like the rest of Windows?
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#209I think the fundamental approach being taken by this project is immensely valuable to the world. This kind of education about open standards might actually be the most powerful tool that can help us take steps in the direction away from giant opaque corporations and back towards the systems based on open standards that the internet originated from. I really hope this project continues to be updated and get more and m…
Mozilla has amazing documentation that's been around for years. Here's their basic html tutorial section: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML No one is or has been stopping people from learning HTML.
I'm very proud of my single file html document for reporting results.
Of course no JS!
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The only elements that are absolutely required are doctype and a non-empty title. Most minimal valid HTML doc: Foo
Correct. Fun fact: you do not need to close most tags in a valid HTML5 document. This is valid: Foo paragraph second item hi!