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Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by ffsm8 »

username135 wrote: post #20
MathMonkeyMan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad was asking me a question about backing something up onto Google Drive, or saving space on some cloud storage account, or something. He was using the mental model of files and folders -- that files exist and refer to stored bytes, and that there can be one or several copies of a file. There can be links to a file that take very little space relative to the file. I had to tell him that I have no idea what sort o…

Can you elaborate on what you told your father? When i use google drive, the interface appears to be folder/file structure. Whether it is or is made to look that way is irrelevant, i suppose, as long as it works that way. I can also increase storage by downloading/deleting things so Im a bit flummoxed.

Google drive uses the same storage quota for other services like Gmail and Photos, these aren't visible from the drive directory structure

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by pif »

Uhm, this post looks based on a flawed premise:

> Imagine if Word documents were only ever created by “Word professionals.”

But they are! OP explain how to create websites using basic text editors, and nobody is able to create a Word document using simple text or binary editors, apart from maybe a handful of gurus in Richmond.

If you really want to democratize HTML, an HTML editor is what you need. Otherwise, your teaching site will not attract much more people than any other teaching site.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

> Step 1. Create a folder on your computer

I don't need to read farther than this, I'm never going to recommend this over freecodecamp. Let alone that a lot of people are usually on mobile during learning time, it just makes it too scary, too easy to mess up, too hard to share what you are doing to get help.

I 100% believe online sandboxes are the way to teach coding to people who aren't already comfortable with technical problem solving.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by accrual »

necovek wrote: post #104
chronogram wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds really difficult for you. It's just a "Download" folder on my device, just like in most operating systems since the '00s.

My apologies, what I meant was "saved" to. Different applications have different default locations without ever prompting for it. I did figure out where FF mobile downloads files. But attempting to save an attachment (from Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber...) and then either open it or attach it from another program leaves me perplexed. I generally rely on "share with" to avoid this, but I am guessing not all apps register…

I get your frustration, that was an inconsistency I disliked about Android too. I felt like it was fairly normal for "power users" to have an 3rd party file browser with more functions to help manage the files on the phone.

One thing I appreciate about iOS is there's a Files app/UI, and if your app wants to save some user-facing data, it can go into the Files app. From there it's a simplified Explorer/Finder type file browser. It's not perfect but its consistent to me.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by poulpy123 »

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #123

> Step 1. Create a folder on your computer I don't need to read farther than this, I'm never going to recommend this over freecodecamp. Let alone that a lot of people are usually on mobile during learning time, it just makes it too scary, too easy to mess up, too hard to share what you are doing to get help. I 100% believe online sandboxes are the way to teach coding to people who aren't already comfortable with tech…

I strongly disagree, someone who create a web site or learn to program needs to know the basic of the basic of using a computer

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by worble »

>Alternatively, you can launch your browser first, click File > Open File…, then navigate to your index.html file.

Uh, I don't think browsers have had the File toolbar for a long time, I just checked to make sure I'm not crazy and Firefox and Chrome on my system certainly don't.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by RheingoldRiver »

poulpy123 wrote: post #125
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #123

> Step 1. Create a folder on your computer I don't need to read farther than this, I'm never going to recommend this over freecodecamp. Let alone that a lot of people are usually on mobile during learning time, it just makes it too scary, too easy to mess up, too hard to share what you are doing to get help. I 100% believe online sandboxes are the way to teach coding to people who aren't already comfortable with tech…

I strongly disagree, someone who create a web site or learn to program needs to know the basic of the basic of using a computer

it's not about knowing the basics of using a computer, it's about eliminating the possibility of tiny mistakes like 1 typo in a file name causing everything to break, which can put someone off coding forever

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by wild_egg »

cryptoz wrote: post #44
have_faith wrote: post #10

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You're probably already aware, but , and is optional in HTML5, so it's a "proper" document without them.

Isn't doctype still required by the spec in HTML5 in order to be "proper"? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought I remembered that it's technically 'required'.

The only elements that are absolutely required are doctype and a non-empty title. Most minimal valid HTML doc:

    
    Foo

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by pasc1878 »

worble wrote: post #126

>Alternatively, you can launch your browser first, click File > Open File…, then navigate to your index.html file. Uh, I don't think browsers have had the File toolbar for a long time, I just checked to make sure I'm not crazy and Firefox and Chrome on my system certainly don't.

I just tried Firefox, Vivaldi, Brave, Safari, Orion They all have File->Open File ...

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Post by jcynix »

necovek wrote: post #104
chronogram wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds really difficult for you. It's just a "Download" folder on my device, just like in most operating systems since the '00s.

My apologies, what I meant was "saved" to. Different applications have different default locations without ever prompting for it. I did figure out where FF mobile downloads files. But attempting to save an attachment (from Telegram, WhatsApp, Viber...) and then either open it or attach it from another program leaves me perplexed. I generally rely on "share with" to avoid this, but I am guessing not all apps register…

>I guess the fact that I mostly moved from DOS to Linux never really got me away from thinking about files and directories, and inconsistency in Android really bothers me.

Been there too. After some (maybe a lot) investigation I learned that this "inconsistency" in Android happens, because some apps use "private" directories which you (or other apps) aren't allowed to look at. Think of these as directories of user Linux users who turned off read access for others, i.e. "chmog og-r $HOME"

After finding apps like Solid Explorer and especially Termux, I learned to comprehend what's going on. But I still hate it that apps (and Android) prevent me from looking at my data the way I like to do it. For "security reasons" I not allowed to view things on my devices? Sheesh!

Nice apps like Markor or Diary (from Bill Farmer) store their data in user visible directories. As such apps exist, I tend to ignore those with limiting my access.

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