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Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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It can be even worse. I've seen younger generation only use Google Docs and streaming services (music/video) and not even understand what a "file" is, because everything is just on the internet.

Doesn’t Google Docs stores its files on Google Drive? What do they call the things they open to open an existing doc?

I didn’t know that, and I’ve used docs about as long as it’s existed and used to use drive a little years and years ago.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Good article, but the reason is obvious: When opening an app or a web app stopped opening a new document and started to present a list of recent documents, that was the beginning of the end. If someone wants a file, they open the app for that file and scroll down. They have never needed to make sense of a file existing independently of the app in which it was create and may be viewed. This process was cemented by iOS…

The Android Files app has always allowed access to local files, and the iOS Files app has allowed access to local files since 2019. https://www.cultofmac.com/news/files-app-makes-ipad-more-mac... However, neither of them are typically used in mobile UX patterns.

Ios files is a useless nightmare. Most of the stuff that exists on the phone isn’t exposed through it.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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> So yeah, maybe not anybody So don't make misleading claims it is for anybody People can see for themselves, but if they're not mislead they can see it earlier without wasting time. Do you see time waste as a drawback?

Anything can be seen as wasting time. Why this particularly? Life is a huge waste of time. > So don't make misleading claims it is for anybody Nothing is for literally anybody .

Yeah the implication that I guess I didn't make well enough is that it's for anybody who wants to learn it. It’s attainable without needing highly specialized or intensive training.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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This is great. The decision to skip CSS by depending on https://simplecss.org/ is smart - CSS is a whole other thing, and having that on top of basic HTML would be pretty intimidating. I did worry a bit about https://htmlforpeople.com/zero-to-internet-your-first-websit... - "Step 1. Create a folder on your computer" - because apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all! ht…

It's crazy how bad the mobile epidemic has gotten. There are kids coming into a Computer Science degree that can't figure out how to unzip a zip or even finding out where files get downloaded to. (Fwiw, those I know dropped out before 2nd year)

> It's crazy how bad the mobile epidemic has gotten.

It's crazy how well mobile's robust security model has protected the suddenly computing masses.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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This is great. The decision to skip CSS by depending on https://simplecss.org/ is smart - CSS is a whole other thing, and having that on top of basic HTML would be pretty intimidating. I did worry a bit about https://htmlforpeople.com/zero-to-internet-your-first-websit... - "Step 1. Create a folder on your computer" - because apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all! ht…

> apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all! And here I am shaking my fist insisting these are “directories” not “folders”… ;)

Other than "directory came first", what's the reason why something is a "directory but not a folder"?

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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> apparently a large number of people these days don't understand files and folders at all! And here I am shaking my fist insisting these are “directories” not “folders”… ;)

This fundamental understanding is a widespread disease I've had to argue with people--some of whom should know better but allow it anyway.

I was first introduced to "directory" as a type of signage at malls or clusters of shops, listing where things are. Usually also having a map, with a red triangle labeled "You are here.". Then I learned that telephone books could also be called be called directories.

My first exposure to computers that had a file hierarchy used the term "folder". When I eventually encountered "directory" in computer usage, I was confused because I thought first of signage in malls.

It still "feels wrong", so I usually use "folder". (-:

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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You're probably already aware, but , and is optional in HTML5, so it's a "proper" document without them.

Isn't doctype still required by the spec in HTML5 in order to be "proper"? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought I remembered that it's technically 'required'.

It is, but I'd argue that people wouldn't even notice that the document is in quirks mode.

I think you'd really only want a TITLE tag so that it appears as a tab name. Anything else is really optional for people and you'd only really need BR, A, and IMG

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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With OpenAI and other LLMs, web development is accelerating. For example, I put together a AI call center demo ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv7mI_qRrhE ) by using Open AI o1-preview. There I could take a lot of different files on typescript and backend server stuff written in python. I would add logs into the mix to make one massive prompt, and then I would let the AI work on reasoning in the cases where I needed to accelerate the writing of additional code.

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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Isn't doctype still required by the spec in HTML5 in order to be "proper"? Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought I remembered that it's technically 'required'.

The only elements that are absolutely required are doctype and a non-empty title. Most minimal valid HTML doc: Foo

Correct.

Fun fact: you do not need to close most tags in a valid HTML5 document.

This is valid:

    
    Foo
    

paragraph

second item hi!

Re: Show HN: HTML for People

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This is great, but most people don't care about coding or building their websites for scratch. Most people don't work on their own cars. Authors don't bind their own books. People want to share their thoughts, stories, and photos. In my opinion, we need better tools to allow people to create their own sites without needing to code.

While you're right, I like to think that people, especially kids, would greatly benefit from seeing this stuff once or twice in their lifetime. They don't need to learn it or use it, but they will forever recognize it. And maybe one day they'll have to write that closing tag someone forgot.

This can be applied to all topics. Knowing the basics of everything is better than knowing nothing.

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