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Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I’ve wondered about this wrt public transportation. They keep raising prices, making it less affordable for people. Eventually basically no one is riding, so they … raise prices. It seems needlessly expensive to me to run empty busses. I’d like to see if cheaper transportation can actually make more money.

does public transport even work without heavy subsidies?

No form of transport works without subsidies, except maybe walking.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I’ve wondered about this wrt public transportation. They keep raising prices, making it less affordable for people. Eventually basically no one is riding, so they … raise prices. It seems needlessly expensive to me to run empty busses. I’d like to see if cheaper transportation can actually make more money.

does public transport even work without heavy subsidies?

The way I heard it, trains in Japan aren't (state) subsidized, but rather they are real estate businesses where "subsidized" cheap traffic into and between train stations drives increased real estate value and thus commercial rents.

If you think about it, the same could be said of state subsidized public transport, where increased economic activity due to improved traffic (getting people to/from jobs, shops and their homes) can increase tax revenue which can then be spent on public transport subsidies, turning them revenue positive. Of course whether most state subsidized systems actually live up to those aspirations is a bit more questionable.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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Hey, as long as they don't have those dark pattern cookie consent forms, I'm a happy camper. The EU should really have specified that accept all/decline all should be a top level choice instead of "Accept all" with the alternative being "learn more" leading to submenus for every one of the 891 "partners".

I've been seeing more and more sites with a "Subscribe/pay to decline cookies" option

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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> One thing I find interesting about playing video games in modern day is that with the proliferation of Wikis, there is assumed to be some kind of third party guide for every game. Especially in smaller/newer games it seems like developers sometimes don't bother putting necessary information in the game at all because they don't have the person-hours for it. While this may have become more of a norm in recent years,…

I'm more curious at the state of things before online and gamefaqs.com ? I do remember downloadable (and maybe also bundled with game magazines ?) game tricks encyclopedias in the Windows help file format.

Magazines and guidebooks.

Video game magazines would regularly publish short walkthroughs and maps, as well as tips on common places to be stuck in popular games, and cheat codes.

Guidebooks were found in stores next to the games, they were typically slim, full-color affairs full of screenshots and production art, with complete lists of all the stuff you could do in the game. Full walkthroughs, item statistic charts, locations of the 52 Secret Gears you need to collect to build the Wind-Up Sword to achieve the secret ending, etc, etc. Here's a photo of someone's collection of a bunch of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/originalxbox/comments/12rsvll/seems...

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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That's up to the site owner. For example I configured my osdev wiki (mediawiki based) so that the history and other special pages get the Cloudflare test but just viewing a page doesn't trigger it. OpenAI and other bots were generating way too much traffic to pages they don't need. Blame the bots that are DDOS'ing sites for the captchas.

Wait a minute, DDoSing is illegal, how come OpenAI et al. haven't gotten sued to the ground yet ??

Not a lawyer, I'm guessing here. I'd assume the intention matters a lot. Scrape bots don't intend to cause trouble, they intend to get your data (for free). Same way as when some famous person tells people on Twitter to visit a website or when some poor blog gets the hug of death from HN. The intention wasn't to bring down the site.

Aside from that: is DDosing actually illegal (under US law)?

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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post #148

Hey, as long as they don't have those dark pattern cookie consent forms, I'm a happy camper. The EU should really have specified that accept all/decline all should be a top level choice instead of "Accept all" with the alternative being "learn more" leading to submenus for every one of the 891 "partners".

That is already the case: > The GDPR is specific that consent must be as 'easy to withdraw as to give', meaning that a reject-all button must be as easy to access in terms of clicks and visibility as an 'accept all' button. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#EU_cookie_directiv...

> The GDPR is specific that consent must be as 'easy to withdraw as to give'

We all know what it means, but it isn't specific enough. "Single click no" or something to that effect. And don't get me started on "legitimate" interest...

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I’m an anarchist too, and I would also take offense to being lumped in with libertarians! I only meant to say that they often seem to have the seeds of an anarchism in some of their thinking e.g. individual liberty and volunteerism, but then immediately embrace contradictory positions due to their inability to critique property.

I was an anarchist as a child because I read a short dictionary definition, maybe describing it as meaning "without rules", and I figured that was what I wanted in life. Then I graduated to libertarianism as a teenager. Then in my 20s I encountered people who really called themselves anarchists, and they were all basically socialists with a sprinkling of individualism, which seemed incoherent because the socialism is…

> so I sadly had to stop using the word “anarchy”

Thanks! Anarchism is about removing hierarchy, of which the most potent in our modern times is the hierarchy of capitalism. Anarchism is also opposed to the state; you’ll find there’s a lot of us at protests of police brutality and other instances of the hierarchy of the state.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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Out of curiosity, how does weirdgloop pay for wiki hosting? The amount of traffic certainly wouldn't be low... what is stopping them from having to abandon these wikis in the future due to cost pressure?

There's a recent rough breakdown of costs and funding in [1]. In short, most funding is from ads. I don't think that takes into account funding for the newer Minecraft or LoL wikis, but it'll either be funded by ads or the game devs. [1]: https://meta.weirdgloop.org/w/Forum:Board_Meeting_-_2024-03-...

That's interesting to know... and quite a trap. Interesting to watch and see how they scale this across communities.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I was an anarchist as a child because I read a short dictionary definition, maybe describing it as meaning "without rules", and I figured that was what I wanted in life. Then I graduated to libertarianism as a teenager. Then in my 20s I encountered people who really called themselves anarchists, and they were all basically socialists with a sprinkling of individualism, which seemed incoherent because the socialism is…

> I was an anarchist as a child because I read a short dictionary definition, maybe describing it as meaning "without rules", and I figured that was what I wanted in life. I was an anarchist as a teenager. Then I stopped thinking about politics until recently, when I rediscovered it, with a much more critical look. Then I read the Tao Te Ching, fell in love with its positive view of humanity and nature, and more impo…

> Why should proletariat decide that I cannot have any private property?

The whole point is they don’t, there is no state to enforce this, you are free to go off and enjoy your private property. Anarcho-communism means believe that our communities are better organized around sharing and collaboration than striving for individual gains, and that pursuing private property is fundamentally hierarchical in nature.

Have any of you “anarcho”-capitalists actually read any anarchist theory? Proudhon, Kropotkin, etc?

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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post #193

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The Mediawiki software is not a static webpage

Mediawiki is trivial to cache, though. For all intent and purposes most hits will be cache hits, and thus "static" content. I'm also shocked at the tens of thousands per month, it can't possibly be hosting alone. It has to be that the maintainer had a generous salary or something.

> For all intent and purposes most hits will be cache hits, and thus "static" content

That's not what static means in the context of hosting. Static means you upload files by FTP or WebDav or some other API and that's it. Something like hosting on S3. If users can log in, even if they usually don't, it's nothing like static any more.

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