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Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I found Wikia a great product name which evoked the feeling 'this topic may be too obscure for Wikipedia, but here you can make an entire Wiki about it!', and I never understood why it was changed to 'Fandom'

There are advertisers who specifically want to reach fans (gamers, tv/movie fans, etc), the name change was to make that ad sale conversation stronger: https://about.fandom.com/mediakit

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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If Google were to have the astoundingly poor business sense to secretly allow payment for higher 'organic' search rankings: they'd hopefully at least have the good sense to not blow that secret on a fish as small as Fandom.

How so? Fandom seems to have Google ads. We wouldn't be able to prove if Google ranked sites with their ads higher. Google's search ranking is black box. Edit: I guess at great effort you could scrape thousands of sites, not if they remove or add Google ads, and track their rating. I think it is a better assumption to make, that Google puts their profit above luser experience, when it comes to search ranking.

The black box leaked recently.

https://sparktoro.com/blog/an-anonymous-source-shared-thousa...

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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In my opinion, the best approach to videogame wikis is what valve did with the TF2 wiki. They saw that it was a great community resource, and so they took it under their wing, gave it hosting and a subdomain, and then left it alone . The wiki maintains full editorial control, which lets it remain a useful resource

Valve is in a unique position. Private company which makes infinite cash from their store. Plenty of freedom for little community outlays which can be impossible to approve when you have to justify finance numbers to the street.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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They never had a stake at any point. The connection is that 2 of the main people involved originally (jimmy & angela) had a lot of ties to wikimedia, but they were doing wikicities/wikia/fandom as their own thing, not as part of wikimedia. Also long ago there was some minor connections. They briefly shared an office like 15 years ago i think, and they tried to jointly develop a wysiwyg editor back in like 2012 (wikim…

To be fair I think you could argue we're actively witnessing a cautionary tale about one founder having large interests in both a nonprofit and a related for-profit company with the ongoing Wordpress.org/Automattic/WPEngine drama.

Oh definitely. Its definitely a bad coi for soneone to control both.

The other side of this is that jimmy does not have very much control over Wikimedia foundation now a days either. He still has a board seat, but its just one seat among many and the board is pretty hands-off.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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I found Wikia a great product name which evoked the feeling 'this topic may be too obscure for Wikipedia, but here you can make an entire Wiki about it!', and I never understood why it was changed to 'Fandom'

It’s particularly dumb given it was literally entering the lexicon as a generic term in a lot of instances.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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Not sure how expensive this is to offer, but I would love if more wikis were encouraged to offer a bulk export option. Monthly db dumps or similar. I am sure many sites get wasteful spider traffic which could be avoided if the structured content were available. Maybe host them on Internet archive the way stack overflow did.

Also, if the exports were significantly better documented that Wikipedia”s. I could not make heads or tails of the hundreds of options Wikipedia presents, all seemingly without any unifying resource describing the differences.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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What has objectivism got to do with anarchism? I take offence at being put in the same pile as Rand fanatics.

I’m an anarchist too, and I would also take offense to being lumped in with libertarians! I only meant to say that they often seem to have the seeds of an anarchism in some of their thinking e.g. individual liberty and volunteerism, but then immediately embrace contradictory positions due to their inability to critique property.

I was an anarchist as a child because I read a short dictionary definition, maybe describing it as meaning "without rules", and I figured that was what I wanted in life. Then I graduated to libertarianism as a teenager. Then in my 20s I encountered people who really called themselves anarchists, and they were all basically socialists with a sprinkling of individualism, which seemed incoherent because the socialism is all about taking people's property away for "the public" (which definitely won't ever turn into for the state, right?) ... so I sadly had to stop using the word "anarchy" since the dictionary had apparently misled me and nobody is just purely against being ruled.

But, I must say, I'm increasingly easy-going about the whole thing. I don't claim to know how things should be arranged, tax me if you must, assign me to clean the communal latrines, do what you like, such is life. I will generally assume that we're all getting it wrong, regardless of viewpoint.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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It’s funny that people are now looking back at wikia fondly because at the time most folks thought it was full of ads and shit. To the point where Curse/Gamepedia managed to get serious market share by not screwing with the community in the same way at the time. Funny how they somehow managed to make it worse.

How did Curse end up making money?

Lots of ads across their wiki and other community websites and D&D Beyond was remarkably successful.

Re: Helping wikis move away from Fandom

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That's considered vandalism of fandom, and probably rightly so. Could you imagine if someone declared a successor to wikipedia and edited all the pages to redirect? Sometimes you just have to put the effort into making the new better, and it's a hard long slog especially against a well funded incumbent. But like all problems in PoE, PoE2 will fix it. ;)

I mean the Wikipedia content arguably belongs more to the Wikipedia community than to the Wikimedia Foundation... Of course it is hardly possible to gain the approval of a majority of editors. > But like all problems in PoE, PoE2 will fix it. ;) Isn't that the game for which Sannikov came up with his new global illumination algorithm? [1] (Apparently yes) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3so7xdZHKxw

it already belongs to the Wikipedia community, but it's licensed under a copyleft licence. Ditto for Wikia. Anyone can fork it if they give proper attribution.
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