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Post by RestlessMind »

lupusreal wrote: post #349
RestlessMind wrote: post #340

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I have seen exclusively white people teams, especially at smaller startups. They were all Americans though, so not much diversity of nationalities. Given that China and India are countries with 1.4B population, no surprise that one can find enough people to form exclusively Chinese (or Indian) teams. Another factor is that people from other backgrounds do not want to join such teams even if the hiring manager makes t…

I'm sure it happens at small companies, but at large companies I've never seen it. It wouldn't be allowed to stay that way if it did happen. The number of times I've seen it happen with Chinese and Indians teams, relative to how rare it is for white-only teams to exist, seems highly improbable. White people are the plurality if not majority at most big American tech companies, so if it's all just statistical noise it…

I have seen enough white-only teams while at FAANG. Those were not in SV but in smaller US cities. Of course that was rare but then again, chinese-only or indian-only teams were rare as well.

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Post by lupusreal »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #256
rcbaF wrote: post #229

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Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both). He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it. (I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding elect…

> since he is far more competent in foreign policy The guy foreign leaders call the "laughing fool"? > the economy will improve. Trump's plans would cause the economy to shrink by 10% and cause 28% inflation, according to independent analysis. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-ec...

I don't need or even want a US president to be respected by other countries leaders. All I need is for the POTUS to not get this country involved in more foreign wars. Trump is a lapdog of Israel so he doesn't fit this bill, but what I'm saying is "foreign leaders laugh at him" falls flat. IDGAF.

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Post by miningape »

mr90210 wrote: post #238

I am going to disclose my own bias here: I tend to look for multicultural teams and somewhat evenly distributed. As an African so far I have worked and learnt a lot from a Brazilian-Japanese, Bulgarian, Portuguese, Dutch, Belgian, Israeli, Russian, English, Indian, Pakistani, German, Argentinian, and a Polish. Some of which I have the pleasure to call friend.

Also an African here, and this is exactly how I feel about it - the world is too interesting to ignore.

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Post by xeanotods »

onetimeacc123 wrote: post #123
pk_anon123 wrote: post #90

I just posted this comment with a new account to check how easily hearsay influences people's opinions with no backing, whatsoever. I hope this thread will stay up as a reminder to stay civil and not get carried away by clouded judgement.

I hear you, brother. I am an Indian Muslim and I have essentially stopped considering any company that has a considerable number of Indians. I actively filter these companies out when searching for jobs. The daily micro-aggressions are detrimetal to my mental health, and I have finally come to terms that this is beyond my power to reform, hence my decision to simply ignore. This is sad, really really sad.

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Post by Nefariouspurpus »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #314

The only point of contention I have with this whole debate is the general premise that it's wrong to make citizens of a country redundant (lay them off) in order to replace with cheaper labor brought in from other countries. From an accounting standpoint perhaps it makes sense, but from the view of the workers, and the community, it just seems wrong.

Although I'm not deeply familiar with the specifics of this particular case, it raises broader questions about the industry that specializes in outsourcing, particularly to countries like India. If outsourcing is a core part of a company's business model, isn’t it inevitable that more jobs will continue to be funneled to countries like India, and, consequently, to Indian workers?

While I understand this particular case involves allegations of discrimination within U.S. offices, the larger trend seems unavoidable. As companies prioritize cost-efficiency, it may no longer make economic sense for citizens of HCOL countries, to seek employment with such firms. Similarly, these companies are likely incentivized to constantly try and minimize the number of high-cost employees—whether they are Indians on H1B visas or American citizens—on their payroll.

This raises a concern about whether the government should intervene to address this industry trend of outsourcing. However, if we look at what happened with manufacturing and China, one wonders if such intervention will ever come, or if the shift is already inevitable.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

akrH wrote: post #327
bryanlarsen wrote: post #319

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Judge not by absolute standings but by relative standings. During the Trump presidency our competitor's economies were growing faster than America's: China, Germany, et cetera. America was losing its status as #1. During the Biden presidency every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. China's growth flatlined. America was pretty much the only economy to avoid ge…

> every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. If you blow up Nordstream and lead the Europeans in a war that they only lose from, then their economies will tank. Inflation and job losses for ordinary Americans are high as well. Perhaps on paper the economy is doing relatively well. (It is the first time that I have heard anyone describing Biden as a true master.…

You have to be consistent. If you say that presidents aren't responsible for external events, then you can't give Trump credit for the smooth sailing lack of external evennts of 2016-2019. If you say that they are, then you have to give Biden credit for weathering the storm during his presidency.

> (It is the first time that I have heard anyone describing Biden as a true master.)

Just letting the Fed do their job deserves most of the credit. Should be table stakes, but Trump has promised to %^@# that up.

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Post by infecto »

elisharobinson wrote: post #329
infecto wrote: post #313

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>Yall want to Drive the combine ( Managment, Software development, VC ) but dont want to do the dirty work ( QA, Devops, IT admin ) Woah, less caps and racist thoughts and more critical thinking please. I am saying taking a simple average between the two like you did is flawed for a number of reasons. 1) You don't even have an apples to apples comparison. H1B data is based on prevailing wage which is just base pay. S…

so you would admit that a 25% diff in base pay would be plausible . so would you also admit a 25% diff in benifits would also be plausible . granted the total diff would work out to somewhere around 30~40% range , but i still hold if we are comparing true apple to apple and we exclude FAANG , we would most likely get in the 50% range. Some emphasis should be made on the total percentage of H1B applicants 75% are Indi…

> so you would admit that a 25% diff in base pay would be plausible . so would you also admit a 25% diff in benifits would also be plausible . granted the total diff would work out to somewhere around 30~40% range , but i still hold if we are comparing true apple to apple and we exclude FAANG , we would most likely get in the 50% range.

25% of the pieces summed would be 25% of the whole. I am not sure how we hand wave to 30-40% and then jump to 50%. Your 50% minimum is still dubious but hey go with it!

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Post by dang »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #190
newaccount321 wrote: post #84

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I believe you to be a culture war bot or shill, given your standpoints and hiding behind a new account. First off, third world is an archaic word, it stopped being relevant after the cold war ended. Using that now is a clear dogwhistle. Second, you mention Judeo-Christian foundations, isn't one of the base tenents of that to "love your neighbour"? Anyway, that too is archaic, as most developed countries have a clear…

"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead."

a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls

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Post by dang »

hshshshsvsv wrote: post #270
tock wrote: post #212

It's weird how racism against Indians online is so normalised. I see the same on reddit too.

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> It's okay to be racist against Indians according to hacker news guidelines

Please let's not respond to false or mean comments by making up more false or mean things. Nothing could be further against the HN guidelines. We (and I personally) have banned many accounts for posting slurs against Indians (same as against any other group), including in this thread.

The only reason posts like that would go unmoderated is that we haven't seen them. We don't come close to seeing everything (or even 10%) of what gets posted to HN. We rely on users to point us to the things that most need attention, so the helpful way to react to such a comment is to flag it and/or email us at hn@ycombinator.com.

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