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Post by mattmaroon »

dartharva wrote: post #271
mattmaroon wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.

No? I am an Indian living in India, and if a Pakistani person were to live next door I wouldn't be able to make it out unless he told me himself.

Im neither but I can tell a Pakistani accent from an Indian one. Is that not the case there?

And you would certainly know if you were working with someone, at least here.

I suppose I have spent a lot of time with Indian Americans but not as much with Indians in India (just zoom calls) so that’s interesting.

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Post by selimthegrim »

fakedang wrote: post #119

I wrote about this in another comment, but I've typically found that public US companies hiring a majority of Indian/Indian-origin staff seem to perform (in market cap terms) on par with companies have just 10% of their total employee headcount.

Do you have a link to your other comment?

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Post by rsanek »

wslh wrote: post #299
dartharva wrote: post #280

The waitlist for Indians to get a green card (i.e. second-class citizenship) is 134 years currently. By the end of this decade, it will touch 200. No regular Indian going on a work visa to the US currently has any significant scope of ever being recognized a citizen. Think of that what you will, but the list of incentives an Indian has to bother integrating into American society is rather short.

Genuinely asking as someone not deeply familiar with the complexities of Indian culture: India now has the largest population in the world, is the biggest democracy, and has significant potential for growth (e.g. reducing poverty). At the same time, we see Indian leaders in top positions in major U.S. companies, like the CEOs of Google (1st gen) and Microsoft (2nd gen). How do these factors all connect? What drives t…

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Post by drewbitt »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #202
JohnBrookz wrote: post #44

This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked…

> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I wo…

> was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings

This happened frequently at a WITCH I worked at out of college. The meeting would be in English then have segments change in the middle as certain speakers switched languages. Luckily, I often had a coworker stand up for me to mention to use English although I did miss many conversations.

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Post by hsyehbeidhh »

bobosha wrote: post #144

I am a proud Indian-American (naturalized after h1b) and I think this kind of discriminatory mindset has no place anywhere, definitely not in the workplace. I think my community can be secure in its success and learn to do better and be open to critique. Let's work to abolish these attitudes by being more self-aware and raising awareness & use cautionary tales like this as a wake-up call.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

karpatic wrote: post #303
quadrifoliate wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am aware of Hispania, etc. The thing you're perhaps missing is that 'minignape began their comment with "as a white person...". That is usually a characterization used by non-Hispanic white people; hence my reply referenced non-Hispanic whites. I also wanted to highlight that they would probably be tolerant of an unfamiliar Hispanic white in-group at their company, but weren't tolerant of a South Asian one.

Text makes communication hard. Have a good day bud.

> And that's just false. And rude.

Sorry, I'm just going to have to go with the consensus of the majority of scientific study on this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United....

I'm sure you'll find some like-minded people that share your worldview and are not "rude".

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Post by akrH »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #319
rtlasacc wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world was far more stable in 2016-2020. It does not matter what someone is called. Just watch what actually happens and overlook all the talk (we might as well explore what Harris is called; I think the attribute is "cackling" and not "laughing"). The NYT is not unbiased when it comes to Trump and none of these plans will be implemented. Again, the economy was good in 2016-2020.

Judge not by absolute standings but by relative standings. During the Trump presidency our competitor's economies were growing faster than America's: China, Germany, et cetera. America was losing its status as #1. During the Biden presidency every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. China's growth flatlined. America was pretty much the only economy to avoid ge…

> every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession.

If you blow up Nordstream and lead the Europeans in a war that they only lose from, then their economies will tank. Inflation and job losses for ordinary Americans are high as well. Perhaps on paper the economy is doing relatively well.

(It is the first time that I have heard anyone describing Biden as a true master.)

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Post by eru »

p_l wrote: post #264
eru wrote: post #188

Since there's a lot of negativity about Indians in the comments here: I just worked for a startup with many Indians (including the founder). It was all fine, and I liked my coworkers. I can understand that other people had different experiences: companies and people differ. For context, everything was remote, and I worked from Singapore. I'm not India, but I do like to prepone my meetings.

The big problem are WITCH companies (of which "C" is for Cognizant usually) and those that, through osmosis or purposeful actions, copy their practices. The contracting companies probably single-handed build and maintain lots of racist stereotypes against indians, because the level of service those companies offer is always unmitigated failure, even internally. I once accidentally stumbled into working on a contract…

Yeah, that sounds pretty dreadful.

A few jobs ago, when I was working for a third-tier legacy bank, my manager joked that all the outsourcing they were doing was actually really useful and pragmatic, because it means they can fail their IT projects cheaper. (The implication being that their projects were by and large inevitably doomed anyway.)

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Post by elisharobinson »

infecto wrote: post #313
elisharobinson wrote: post #301

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so your telling me my analysis is flawed because i didnt take META as a base. MY guy the article is about CTS. NOT META. H1B is to tech what H2A is for agriculture . Yall want to Drive the combine ( Managment, Software development, VC ) but dont want to do the dirty work ( QA, Devops, IT admin )

>Yall want to Drive the combine ( Managment, Software development, VC ) but dont want to do the dirty work ( QA, Devops, IT admin ) Woah, less caps and racist thoughts and more critical thinking please. I am saying taking a simple average between the two like you did is flawed for a number of reasons. 1) You don't even have an apples to apples comparison. H1B data is based on prevailing wage which is just base pay. S…

so you would admit that a 25% diff in base pay would be plausible . so would you also admit a 25% diff in benifits would also be plausible . granted the total diff would work out to somewhere around 30~40% range , but i still hold if we are comparing true apple to apple and we exclude FAANG , we would most likely get in the 50% range.

Some emphasis should be made on the total percentage of H1B applicants 75% are Indian and at-least ~90% of those are in the TECH working for CTS, TCS both are consulting firms They dont sell any products or services (and dont have offices in SF). They survive by giving the lowest bid for a service . And when the minimum wage is the lower bound why bother paying any higher (60-75% discount), This was the case prior to trump. After Trump H1Bs became scarce and to justify it you needed "highly skilled" employees and they made the paygap more justifiable to 45-50%.

So i still hold my original statement H1B is for tech what H2A is for agriculture.

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Post by mr90210 »

hshshshsvsv wrote: post #309
mr90210 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are oversimplifying it: NBA - Physical attributes do matter a lot. NBAs management, team owners, coaches tend to be non-Black. Nobel prize - Perhaps because a good chunk of Jews tend to be into academia and research life. I cannot comment on sales/marketing/real estate in US as I don’t live there but I’d like to believe that isn’t an active effort to keep non-whites out of these areas. All of those things are com…

You are over indexing on leaving out of business meetings as a general trait of Indians. It's not. Don't you realize how stupid and racist that sounds?

It is you the racist by referring to Indians as a race.

Learn about your own people first, the Indo-Aryans.

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