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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by elisharobinson »

infecto wrote: post #279
elisharobinson wrote: post #253

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thanks for the ref , but it kinda proves the point . your source suggests the avg comp for senior software engineer is 100-150 K . on glass door it 178-263 . https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/senior-software-engineer-... .

Your analysis is flawed. Its much better to run through a FAANG and compare to levels.fyi. I just did for Meta and the base salary numbers are within the ranges I saw on Levels. Actual level is not outlined so its a broad range. These numbers are set using prevailing wage calculations for a geographical area and role. There is an incentive for companies to figure out ways to get it as low as possible but I have never…

so your telling me my analysis is flawed because i didnt take META as a base. MY guy the article is about CTS. NOT META.

H1B is to tech what H2A is for agriculture . Yall want to Drive the combine ( Managment, Software development, VC ) but dont want to do the dirty work ( QA, Devops, IT admin )

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Post by dartharva »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #95
bravetraveler wrote: post #37

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As a casual observer, their culture seems to include considerable classism; to the degree that 'where are you from?' appears to be an extremely common and loaded question [saved for the locals] . I only recognize it because it exists in mine, not a judgement.

Don't tiptoe around the topic. By class you mean caste. As a white guy who has worked in tech for 25+ years and has made many Indian friends, I continue to be astounded by how fixated many (obviously not all) of them are on caste. In particular, how much time and effort gets spent trying to suss out each others' caste by asking questions like you noted. Every time we get a new Indian team member and the existing ones…

And as an Indian who has lived for 25+ years in India, I continue to be astounded by how fixated white guys like you are on caste when I have never once witnessed caste-based discrimination in my life, despite belonging to a categorized "originally backward" caste.

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Post by karpatic »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #237
karpatic wrote: post #134

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It was an amazing statement to read. I'm glad someone else caught that

I am aware of Hispania, etc. The thing you're perhaps missing is that 'minignape began their comment with "as a white person...". That is usually a characterization used by non-Hispanic white people; hence my reply referenced non-Hispanic whites. I also wanted to highlight that they would probably be tolerant of an unfamiliar Hispanic white in-group at their company, but weren't tolerant of a South Asian one.

Text makes communication hard. Have a good day bud.

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jl6 wrote: post #295

The worst HR case I ever got involved in was a semi-onshore (Indian) development team who couldn't deal with having a female (Indian) tech lead. She was eminently qualified for the role, but they would attempt to undermine her at every turn, speak over her, hold meetings without her, always going over her head... Caste did not appear to be a factor; it seemed to be good old fashioned sexism.

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Post by kamaal »

wslh wrote: post #299
dartharva wrote: post #280

The waitlist for Indians to get a green card (i.e. second-class citizenship) is 134 years currently. By the end of this decade, it will touch 200. No regular Indian going on a work visa to the US currently has any significant scope of ever being recognized a citizen. Think of that what you will, but the list of incentives an Indian has to bother integrating into American society is rather short.

Genuinely asking as someone not deeply familiar with the complexities of Indian culture: India now has the largest population in the world, is the biggest democracy, and has significant potential for growth (e.g. reducing poverty). At the same time, we see Indian leaders in top positions in major U.S. companies, like the CEOs of Google (1st gen) and Microsoft (2nd gen). How do these factors all connect? What drives t…

1. India has a low gdp per capita. What that means is quality of life for masses is low. That also means slum/ghetto like neighbourhoods. Even if you have the money you mostly stay in a gated community, sandwiched between those areas. So you want to leave ASAP and stay in the west.

2. The Indians in top leadership positions you see in tech firms are rare exceptions. To some extent they also come from fairly well off families and communities in India, who have social capital. Can afford cram school fees for Ivy league exams, money and ability to take loans to study abroad etc.

3. Any body who once makes non-trivial money or sees non-trivial career success instantly realises, given how big India is. Given its politics, and overall spending on Education, R&D, and the rate of industrialisation. The only hope for a good life for their, or atleast at their children is to move to the west.

Basically people want to leave India, as fixing India is largely a long term, and also a nearly impossible project.

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Post by wslh »

dartharva wrote: post #300
HKH2 wrote: post #291

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Sorry, nowadays we're supposed to believe everything is programmable/reprogrammable.

Discrimination has largely been "reprogrammable" though. E.g. America doesn't have segregation anymore.

I don’t think so. It’s astonishing that segregation laws in America ended in the mid-1960s, just a few years before Apollo 11 landed on the Moon. Other countries, including some with fewer economic resources, abolished segregation much earlier. Although formal segregation laws are gone, racism in America persists, as reflected in ongoing disparities and public perceptions [1].

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/25/americans...

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Post by hshshshsvsv »

mr90210 wrote: post #223
hshshshsvsv wrote: post #170

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You are oversimplifying it: NBA - Physical attributes do matter a lot. NBAs management, team owners, coaches tend to be non-Black. Nobel prize - Perhaps because a good chunk of Jews tend to be into academia and research life. I cannot comment on sales/marketing/real estate in US as I don’t live there but I’d like to believe that isn’t an active effort to keep non-whites out of these areas. All of those things are com…

You are over indexing on leaving out of business meetings as a general trait of Indians. It's not. Don't you realize how stupid and racist that sounds?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by Eumenes »

kamaal wrote: post #305
wslh wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely asking as someone not deeply familiar with the complexities of Indian culture: India now has the largest population in the world, is the biggest democracy, and has significant potential for growth (e.g. reducing poverty). At the same time, we see Indian leaders in top positions in major U.S. companies, like the CEOs of Google (1st gen) and Microsoft (2nd gen). How do these factors all connect? What drives t…

1. India has a low gdp per capita. What that means is quality of life for masses is low. That also means slum/ghetto like neighbourhoods. Even if you have the money you mostly stay in a gated community, sandwiched between those areas. So you want to leave ASAP and stay in the west. 2. The Indians in top leadership positions you see in tech firms are rare exceptions. To some extent they also come from fairly well off…

The Indians migrating to the US via h1b visas are not coming from the slums or ghettoes. Higher education to foreigners in the US is essentially an immigration scheme - they pay $60-$100k (+living expenses) for a useless graduate degree which only the rich can afford, then get funneled into consulting firms like Cognizant/Infosys on OPT/EAD visas before picking up their h1b for ~ 6 years. This pretty much gets you in the US for ~ 10 years before getting a green card.

> The Indians in top leadership positions you see in tech firms are rare exceptions

This is absolutely not the case. Despite being 2% of the population, Indians are way overrepresented in tech leadership positions (not just CEO/CTO). I recall in a meeting at a med size tech firm I worked at, the recruiting/HR department no longer considered Asians of any ethnicity a minority and lumped them in with white males.

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