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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by 1over137 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #88
miningape wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture or else leave. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? (A group of people casually getting together is totally different to someone's…

> Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US, and I don't see a reasonable basis f…

>Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US...

The word Hispanic comes from Hispania meaning "Iberian Peninsula", which, I have news for you, is in Europe. They are hardly native to the USA either.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by fakedang »

hnbad wrote: post #56
avip wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Racism is embedded in human nature and in every culture. Though it takes different forms. I don't think "Indians" deserve any special mention on that one.

It's telling that we're quick to ascribe anything bad to "human nature" while balking at the notion that anything positive might also be human nature. Greed and exploitation? Yes, absolutely, human nature, nothing you can do about it. Racism? Totally human nature, just look at this random animal species. Cooperation, trust, hospitality? No, those must be unique virtues expressed only by the pure of heart or the naive…

> Nevermind that "race" as a concept did not exist in the modern sense in Western cultures prior to colonization despite the exposure to other peoples with other skin tones from other parts of the world.

https://x.com/MohabMo5102/status/1494070281731809281?mx=2

Also someone please tell me why were harems in Mamlukian and Ottoman courts largely filled with Slavic and Circassian men and women?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by [deleted] »

newaccount321 wrote: post #79
actionfromafar wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is a lot more than Hindu.

But, the problems outlined here are emblematic of the Hindu faith. There is no point in shying away from criticizing a religious line of thought when it deserves criticism.

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by mattmaroon »

pm90 wrote: post #101
pk_anon123 wrote: post #90

I just posted this comment with a new account to check how easily hearsay influences people's opinions with no backing, whatsoever. I hope this thread will stay up as a reminder to stay civil and not get carried away by clouded judgement.

How is this discrimination manifested? How do these managers know your country of origin?

An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by mc32 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #88
miningape wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture or else leave. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? (A group of people casually getting together is totally different to someone's…

> Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US, and I don't see a reasonable basis f…

People born in the US are native to the US -or are you arguing for de sanguinis citizenship? Chinese and Indians do follow de sanguinis, so maybe you’re making the case?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by lazide »

pm90 wrote: post #101
pk_anon123 wrote: post #90

I just posted this comment with a new account to check how easily hearsay influences people's opinions with no backing, whatsoever. I hope this thread will stay up as a reminder to stay civil and not get carried away by clouded judgement.

How is this discrimination manifested? How do these managers know your country of origin?

Pakistani’s are almost always Muslim (due to Partition [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India]), and will often act and speak differently in several telltale ways for anyone who knows what to look for. Both given and family/surnames are also often telltales.

And if you think Casteism is a bitch, Pakistani/Indian (or Indian Hindu vs Indian Muslim) is a bitch and a half. Just try to apply for a visa for India and see how many times they ask if you or any of your relatives are from Pakistan to get a taste.

Edit: ooh, downvotes away. Hah! No better way to tell when you hit a nerve than the torches come out.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by quadrifoliate »

sandworm101 wrote: post #98
quadrifoliate wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US, and I don't see a reasonable basis f…

>> non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US Then to where is it native? Don't deny a culture its existence just because it isn't the first culture to arise within a particular area. Example: Mormon culture and religion is "native" the US despite certainly not being the first culture in the area.

I am not the one throwing around the word "native" casually. To cite your example, Salt Lake City was founded less than 200 years ago whereas Puebloans have been living in the area for several thousands of years.

You can certainly make a claim that Mormon culture is "native" to Utah, but I think at 200 v/s 5000+ you can expect that claim to be contested.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by fakedang »

I wrote about this in another comment, but I've typically found that public US companies hiring a majority of Indian/Indian-origin staff seem to perform (in market cap terms) on par with companies have just 10% of their total employee headcount.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

>All these culture things (except for the first regarding PO which is spit-in-the-face level of unprofessionalism) add up,

you said it yourself, the first one was unprofessional and should be avoided and may be cause for action. The other things, learn to live as the minority in a group and accept what the group values.

I mean maybe your colleagues follow suit about eating Indian food because Indian food is delicious? "Hey you guys know a good Indian food place around here - that's great!" would be my response.

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