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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody (important) wanted that, though. It was done only because the cloud wasn't available, the moment it became available every big company migrated.

The rise of self-hosted GitLab and GHES suggests that's not true.

Migrated from self hosted Atlassian to cloud Atlassian.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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My guess would be that a lot of non-Indians at these companies are rejected on the basis of "vibes"; which is slightly different from racism as I explain below, although it probably ends up having the same net effect as overt racism. As an Indian, I've observed that collectivism and subservience towards authority figures are taught as virtues; this obviously makes it quite easy for employers to extract unreasonable d…

>collectivism and subservience towards authority figures are taught as virtues Remind me to never fly on a plane piloted by an Indian flight crew. (Protip: If you can't stand up to your captain, your plane is going down.)

Still very rarely, just significantly more often

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

> Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restaurants during lunch break, so now most of the colleagues follow suit, how to stop it all?

Are you seriously asking how to "fight back" on Indians going to restaurants and joking with each other?

As an Indian in a flyover state who has been routinely excluded from golfing events, and had my dietary needs totally ignored while organizing things like steakhouse lunches, this is sort of darkly funny to read.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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As others have already pointed out, this is due to the "group-think" mentality that is an inherent part of the hindu religion, which has spilled into the political and social conscience in the last decade, or so. I have thought hard about it, the only solution to this problem to treat hinduism as an umbrella that houses many different faiths (castes, ethinicities, linguistic groups, etc.) and then promote universal reservations across the government and non-government sectors to reflect the true hindu makeup. I also, support bringing the religious minorities into the fold. This will upset the cronyism that is present currently, and allow the truly meritorious to succeed from each group. Think of this, the meritorious get their opportunities and the demographic makeup is correctly reflected across the spectrum. Thankfully, this line of thought is gradually picking up pace in India. I am hopeful of the future that everyone, irrespective of their caste, language and faith, will be able to prosper in India.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best course of action is symmetrical response.

I’m gonna dip into politics a bit for my assertion that “fight racism with racism” isn’t a great move, either for the societal long term or the personal/legal short term.

That is the entire premise of DEI initiatives. It's yet another "an eye for an eye".

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

#76

Seeing this happen at an originally Australian unicorn after the technical co-founder stepped down and new CTO swapped out all of their engineering leadership with Indian hires from Microsoft. Previously saw it at a lesser degree to older unicorns and places like Oracle, IBM, etc. Although it’s normalised in the latter ones.

…are we complaining about people living in India, or American/Australian citizens that have Indian national heritage? The former seems more like an outsourcing issue than an Indian issue. The latter… didn’t we learn in the 90s not to stereotype people?

If I posted a comment complaining about how black Americans are criminals, I think I’d rightfully be called out for oversimplifying in a hurtful way. What am I missing here?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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A decade ago, you could self-host though.

Nobody (important) wanted that, though. It was done only because the cloud wasn't available, the moment it became available every big company migrated.

Self-hosting JIRA and Confluence was a double edged sword:

Done badly it meant you suffocated the application server with too little resources giving dreaded "super slow JIRA" effect.

Done well it meant you didn't have to deal with Atlassian underprovisioning resources in the cloud or having rigid maintenance times that didn't fit with your company needs.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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India is a lot more than Hindu.

But, the problems outlined here are emblematic of the Hindu faith. There is no point in shying away from criticizing a religious line of thought when it deserves criticism.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

Imagine being autistic and rarely having that bonding you talk about, and certainly not with entire teams.
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