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Post by garrettgarcia »

PhearTheCeal wrote: post #308
gcr wrote: post #281

> Upload an image of yourself and transform it > into a personalized video. Movie Gen’s > cutting-edge model lets you create personalized > videos that preserve human identity and motion. A stalker’s dream! I’m sure my ex is going to love all the videos I’m going to make of her! Jokes aside, it’s a little bizarre to me that they treat identity preservation as a feature while competitors treat that as a bug, explicitl…

When I read that text my first thought was making some videos of my mom that passed away, since so few videos of her exist and pictures don't capture her personality

The fact that your first thought was how you could use this amazing tech to remember a lost family member who you love, and OP's first thought was that it could be used for evil so it shouldn't exist says a ton about each of you.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by tim333 »

greybox wrote: post #511

At what point did someone look at this and think: "Ah yes, this will be good for humanity right now" ?

I don't think it works like that. It's more "Hey! This tech can make funky videos"

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by altairprime »

tqi wrote: post #539
yojo wrote: post #524

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The hardware serving web requests on Facebook is very different from the hardware used to generate these videos. It’s different kit, that is currently quite expensive and power intensive. Facebook absolutely does not have a fleet of GPUs idling that could suddenly spring into action to generate a billion of these videos, nor do they have power stations on standby ready to handle the electricity load.

Right, my point is that "paying a million dollars instantaneously" isn't something that Meta would face the way a company with a public cloud infra would, and as a result their motivations / concerns are probably more along the lines of bad user experiences (due to performance bottlenecks) hurting public perception rather than runaway costs bankrupting the company.

Having recently seen cost analysis for hosted enterprise generative AI, we’ll continue to disagree on this point. You certainly are describing valid concerns but Meta never struck me as being particularly worried about how people think of them; and, I am certain this doesn’t have the ’degrade’ capability at the billion users scale — it would have work queue lengths measured in weeks or more, which is useless for social media.

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Post by intended »

tsimionescu wrote: post #404
kurthr wrote: post #391

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I'd argue it's a step or two more manipulative. Not only do bad actors have the ability to generate moving images which are default believed by many, they also have the ability to measure the response over large populations, which lets them tune for the effect they want. One step more is building response models for target groups so that each can receive tailored distraction/outrage materials targeted to them. Furthe…

> Further, the ability to replicate speech patterns and voice for each of your trusted humans with fabricated material is already commonplace. Just like the ability to emulate the writing style of your trusted humans was (somewhat) commonplace in the time in which you'd only talk to distant friends over letters. > Once they are, it's not clear even in person conversations aren't contaminated. How exactly could any cu…

The difference between artisanal work, vs mass production is enough to make it separate products.

The rate of production is the incomparable, no matter what the parallels may seem.

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Post by jsheard »

jetrink wrote: post #450
lopis wrote: post #52

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I assure you that's not enough. These are high quality videos. Once they get uploaded to social media, compression mostly makes imperfections go away. And it's been shown that when people are not expecting AI content, they are much less likely to realize they are looking at AI. I would 100% believe most of these videos were real if caught off guard.

A friend who lives in North Carolina sent me a video of the raging floodwaters in his state- at least that's what the superimposed text claimed it was. When I looked closer, it was clearly an Indian city filled with Indian people and Indian cars. He hadn't noticed anything except the flood water. It reminded me of that famous selective attention test video[1]. I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it, but it's a…

For the entire duration of the Russia/Ukraine war "combat footage" that is actually from the video game ARMA 3 has gone viral fairly regularly, and now exactly the same thing is happening with Israel/Iran.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by surfingdino »

AJ007 wrote: post #504
Rinzler89 wrote: post #23

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5 years ago there were no AI videos. A bit over a year ago the best AI videos were hilarious hallucinations of Will Smith eating spaghetti. Today we have these realistic videos that are still in the uncanny valley. That's insane progress in the span of a year. Who knows what it will be like in another year. Let'em cook.

The subtle "errors" are all low hanging fruit. It reminds me of going to SIGGRAPH years back and realizing most of the presentations were covering things which were almost imperceptible when looking at the slides in front. The math and the tech was impressively, but qualitatively it might have not even mattered. The only interesting questions now have nothing to do with capability but with economics and raw resources…

> "In a few years, or less, clearly we'll be able to take our favorite books and watch unabridged, word-for-word copies."

That would be a boring movie.

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Post by visarga »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #175
visarga wrote: post #141

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> Insisting on the bare minimum human involvement as a feature is just a non starter for me if something is presented as art You can make the guidance as superficial or detailed as you like. Input detailed descriptions, use real images as reference, you can spend a minute or a day on it. If you prompt "cute dog" you should expect generic outputs. If you write half a screen with detailed instructions, you can expect i…

You need an image for an ad. You write a brief and send it to an artist who follows your brief and makes the image for you. You make more detailed briefs, or you make generic briefs. You receive an image. Regardless, did you make that image or just get a response to your brief? You want a painting of your dog. You send the painter dozens of photos of your dog. You describe your dog in rapturous, incredible, detail. Y…

> Did you make that painting? Were you the artist in any normal parlance?

The symphony conductor just waves her hands reading the score, does she make music? The orchestra makes all the sounds. She just prompts them. Same for movie director.

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Post by intended »

dguest wrote: post #387
tsimionescu wrote: post #374

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We are at a crossroads of technology, where we're still used to the idea that audio and video are decent proof that something happened, in a way in which we don't generally trust written descriptions of an event. Generative AI will be a significant problem for a while, but this assumption that audio/video is inherently trustable will relatively soon (in the grand scheme of things) go away, and we'll return to the his…

It's not all the way back as long as solid encryption exists: Tim Cook could digitally sign his announcements, and assuming we can establish his signature (we had signatures and stamps 200 years ago) video proof still works. So we're not going all the way back, but the era of believing strangers because they have photographic or video proof is drawing to a close.

This is too much work for the human use case.

Practically speaking, no one is going yo check provenance when scrolling through Reddit sitting on the pot.

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