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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by nonameiguess »

lytedev wrote: post #469
dinfinity wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The challenge is to determine what is real, not what is fake. I think cryptographic signing and the classic web of trust approaches are going to prove the most valuable tools in doing so, even if they're definitely not a panacea.

This comes up a lot. Because synthesis is so generally feasible plus the existence of very powerful editing tools for things like movies and whatnot, I'm guessing that it will simply become the norm to assume that any image, sound, movie, or whatever may be fake. I expect there won't be a way to verify something was synthesised or "real-synthesized" (since images and videos are ultimately synthesized themselves, just…

You won't be able, as some average person, to trust that what you gets to Twitter, Instagram, or whatever image and video hosting platform gets popular in the future, is real, but 1) I'm not sure you can today anyway, 2) plenty of people don't consume anything from these platforms and get by fine, and 3) what are you even relying on this information for?

Are you concerned about predicting the direction or "real" state of your national economy? Videos aren't going to give you that. Largely, you can't know. Heavily curated statistical reports compiled and published by national agencies can only give you a clear view in retrospect. Are you concerned that a hurricane might be heading your way and you need to leave? Don't listen to videos on social media. Listen to your local weather authority. Are you concerned about whether X candidate for some national office really said a thing? Why? Are any of these people's characters or policy positions really that unclear that the reality or unreality of two seconds worth of words coming out of their mouths are going to sway your overall opinion one way or another?

Things you should actually care about:

- How are you family and friends doing? Ask them directly. If you can't trust the information you get back, you didn't trust them to begin with.

- How should you live your life? Stick with the classics here, man. Some combination of Aristotle, Ben Graham, and the basic AHA guidelines on diet and exercise will get you 95% of the way there.

- How do you fix or clean or operate some equipment or item X that you own? Get that information from the manufacturer.

Things you shouldn't care about:

- Is the IDF or Hamas committing more atrocities?

- Does Kamala Harris really support sex changes for convicted felons serving prison sentences funded by public money?

- Can Koalas actually surf?

Accept at some point that you can't know everything at all times and that's fine. You can know the things that matter. Get information from sources you actually trust, as in individual people or specific organizations you know and trust, not anonymous creators of text on Reddit. If you happen to be a national strategic decision maker that actually needs to know current world events, you're in luck. You have spy agencies and militaries that fully control the entire chain of custody from data collection to report compilation. If they're using AI to show you lies, you've got bigger problems anyway.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by derefr »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #12
TrackerFF wrote: post #6

All the vids have that instantly recognizable GenAI "sheen", for the lack of a better word. Also, I think the most obvious giveaway are all the micro-variations that happen along the edges, which give a fuzzy artifact.

>All the vids have that instantly recognizable GenAI "sheen" That's something that can be fixed in a future release or you can fix it right now with some filters in post in your pipeline.

Not even filters; every text2image model ever created thusfar, can be very easily nudged with a few keywords into generating outputs in a specific visual style (e.g. artwork matching the signature style of any artist it has seen the some works from.)

This isn't an intentional "feature" of these models; rather, it's kind of an inherent part of how such models work — they learn associations between tokens and structural details of images. Artists' names are tokens like any other, and artists' styles are structural details like any other.

So, unless the architecture and training of this model are very unusual, it's gonna at least be able to give you something that looks like e.g. a "pencil illustration."

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mrguyorama »

littlestymaar wrote: post #44
imjonse wrote: post #34

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That and the NFSW finetunes that will inevitably follow; unlike the text-gen finetunes these could really cause trouble with deepfakes.

Deepfakes are already a reality, the technology is already there and good enough for harm, the genie is not going back to the bottle. In fact, the more realistic the deepfakes become, the less harmful actual revenge porn and stolen sex videos can be, because of plausible deniability.

We live in a world where you can just say dumb bullshit about Haitians and millions of people will insist it's real.

This "good deepfakes will prevent harm because of plausible deniability" is absurd copium, and utterly divorced from reality.

Speak to victims some time. You are not helping them.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by AJ007 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #23
surfingdino wrote: post #18

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> "That's something that can be easily fixed in a future release (...)" This has been the default excuse for the last 5+ years. I won't hold my breath.

5 years ago there were no AI videos. A bit over a year ago the best AI videos were hilarious hallucinations of Will Smith eating spaghetti. Today we have these realistic videos that are still in the uncanny valley. That's insane progress in the span of a year. Who knows what it will be like in another year. Let'em cook.

The subtle "errors" are all low hanging fruit. It reminds me of going to SIGGRAPH years back and realizing most of the presentations were covering things which were almost imperceptible when looking at the slides in front. The math and the tech was impressively, but qualitatively it might have not even mattered.

The only interesting questions now have nothing to do with capability but with economics and raw resources.

In a few years, or less, clearly we'll be able to take our favorite books and watch unabridged, word-for-word copies. The quality, acting, and cinematography will rival the biggest budget Hollywood films. The "special effects" won't look remotely CG like all of the newest Disney/Marvel movies -- unless you want them to. If publishers put up some sort of legal firewall to prevent it, their authors, characters, and stories will all be forgotten.

And if we can spend $100 of compute and get something I described above, why wouldn't Disney et al throw $500m at something to get even more out of it, and charge everyone $50? Or maybe we'll all just be zoo animals soon (Or the zoo animals will have neuralink implants and human level intelligence, then what?)

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by hombre_fatal »

layer8 wrote: post #478
slg wrote: post #473

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Except that time "before video cameras" didn't coincide with a time in which everyone had a magic device in our pocket that allowed anyone to send a firehose of propaganda our way. If yellow newspapers were able to push us to war despite us knowing that "the written word was never reliable to start with", what will be the impact of the combination of this technology and the internet used against a population that has…

If “fake news” is anything to go by, the population will quickly be de-conditioned from trusting video.

Absolutely not. You can just go to Twitter or Reddit, like https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/, to see an image with a (e.g. political) caption that purports something to be true and thousands of people will take it onboard as truth. Nobody asks for a source, or they are admonished when they do for apparently disagreeing with the political claim.

You can go on Youtube to see charlatans peddle all sorts of convenient truths with no evidence.

You don't even need AI. The bug is in the human wetware.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by vunderba »

thinkingemote wrote: post #66

Are any image / video generation tools giving just the output or the layers, timelines, transitions, audio as things to work with in our old fashioned toolsets? The problem: In my limited playing of these tools they don't quite make the mark and I would easily be able to tweak something if I had all the layers used. I imagine in the future products could be used to tweak this to match what I think the output should b…

If you have experience as a graphic designer, you can get very far with any layer based graphic tools like Krita or Affinity in conjunction with proper inpainting against generative image models - in fact that's InvokeAI's entire target user base.

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Post by echoangle »

paul7986 wrote: post #495
echoangle wrote: post #418

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1. will never happen, it’s way too interesting that people won’t try to make an open source version where the watermark can easily be removed by users. Unless you actually criminalize it and put people in jail multiple years for building anything close to deepfakes, you won’t be able to prevent that.

That's why websites uploaders need to read the meta data and found out how it was originally generated then publish / label it ..AI generated it its first creation was such.

And how would you actually enforce that? What would happen if I as a private person AI-generated something on my computer and upload it without the metadata? Would I go to prison?

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Post by bozhark »

typeofhuman wrote: post #363
gcr wrote: post #281

> Upload an image of yourself and transform it > into a personalized video. Movie Gen’s > cutting-edge model lets you create personalized > videos that preserve human identity and motion. A stalker’s dream! I’m sure my ex is going to love all the videos I’m going to make of her! Jokes aside, it’s a little bizarre to me that they treat identity preservation as a feature while competitors treat that as a bug, explicitl…

I'm surprised this hasn't already been done (or I'm not aware of it)... Step 1. Train AI on pornographic videos Step 2. Feed AI images of your ex Step 3. Profit

why be weird and use real people for reference?

why be extra weird and use a personal reference?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by alana314 »

TrackerFF wrote: post #6

All the vids have that instantly recognizable GenAI "sheen", for the lack of a better word. Also, I think the most obvious giveaway are all the micro-variations that happen along the edges, which give a fuzzy artifact.

I'm thankful to be able to recognize that sheen, though I think it will go away soon enough
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