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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by s1291 » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:03 PM UTC

trilobyte wrote: post #263

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239

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I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

o1-preview built me an iOS app that is now in the app store. It only took me about 3 hours of back and forth with it go from very basic to adding 10 - 20 features, and it didn't break the existing code when refactoring for new features. It also generates code with very little of the cruft that I would expect to see reviewing PRs from human coders. I've got 25 years build / deploying / running code at every size compa…

That's interesting. Could you share the name of the app?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by tchock23 » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:05 PM UTC

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239

aeze wrote: post #149

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Agreed on the principle (using the better product) but interestingly I've had the opposite experience when comparing Claude 3.5 Sonnet vs GPT 4o. Claude's been far and away superior on coding tasks. What have you been testing for?

I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Has he shared this workflow anywhere (i.e., YouTube)? I’d be very curious to see how it works.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by janalsncm » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:05 PM UTC

throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #266

janalsncm wrote: post #255

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> Do they not understand I see this all the time from AI boosters. Flashy presentation, and it seems like it worked! But if you actually stare at the result for a moment, it’s mediocre at best. Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. So if you ask it to “write a poem about pizza” as long as it generally fits the de…

> Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. Yep. CAD, music, poetry, comedy. Same pattern in each. But it's more than not being experts: it's about a subliminal belief that there either isn't much to be expert in or a denial of the value of that expertise, like if what they do can be replicated by a neural network tr…

Well, comedians still exist, despite the fact that ChatGPT can write an endless stream of “jokes” for next to zero cost. So do musicians. I know less about poetry and CAD but I assume people who seek out those modalities aren’t going to be impressed with generic garbage. A person who seeks out poetry isn’t going to be easily impressed.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rglover » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:06 PM UTC

elashri wrote: post #276

rglover wrote: post #253

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Depends on scope, but Parrot is tuned to decently one-shot a lot of stuff. For example, I need to implement HTTP/2 in my JS framework and was curious about what the code would look like. Here's the result from the following prompt: https://www.imghippo.com/i/xR2Zk1727987897.png (full code it gave me here: https://gist.github.com/rglover/069bdaea91c629e95957610b484e... ). Prompt: > Help me implement an HTTP/2 enabled…

I am not a nodeJS developer but it was interesting that the first results from a kagi search was SO question that had one of the answers that contains a code very similar to what you provided here [1]. So while you might be right in general, I still think you still gave an example of that you used LLM tool to help implementing a solution. You actually knew that you want to implement http/2 using express.js. Hint: I a…

If you want to take it for a test drive, Parrot is free to try and works with any language (~200+ languages and frameworks supported), not just JS/Node. I'd also be happy to give you some extra generation tokens to push the limits (just email me w/ your username ryan@codewithparrot.com and I'll hook you up) and see if it'd be useful.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by CharlieDigital » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:06 PM UTC

tchock23 wrote: post #282

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Has he shared this workflow anywhere (i.e., YouTube)? I’d be very curious to see how it works.

No; not at the moment. I've been trying to get him to create some content along the way because it's so interesting, but he's been resistant (not because he doesn't want to share; more like he's too heads down on the product).

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by danielmarkbruce » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:08 PM UTC

sanex wrote: post #204

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #192

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It depends on who the moat is supposed to keep out. A reasonable case from an antitrust regulator would be that if a provider of models/apis gleans the prompts from the users of the apis to build competing products... they are in trouble. Good prompts may actually have a moat - a complex agent system is basically just a lot of prompts and infra to co-ordinate the outputs/inputs.

Amazon Basics is kind of the same thing, they haven't been sued. Yet.

They have indeed.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by throwgfgfd25 » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:09 PM UTC

janalsncm wrote: post #283

throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #266

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> Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. Yep. CAD, music, poetry, comedy. Same pattern in each. But it's more than not being experts: it's about a subliminal belief that there either isn't much to be expert in or a denial of the value of that expertise, like if what they do can be replicated by a neural network tr…

Well, comedians still exist, despite the fact that ChatGPT can write an endless stream of “jokes” for next to zero cost. So do musicians. I know less about poetry and CAD but I assume people who seek out those modalities aren’t going to be impressed with generic garbage. A person who seeks out poetry isn’t going to be easily impressed.

No. But then all of these products are marketed to people who are, at some domain-specific level, still towards the "but I wore the juice!" end of the scale, right?

Unskilled and unaware of it. Or rather, unskilled and unaware of what a skilled output actually involves. So, unaware of the damage they do to their reputations by passing off the output of a GPT.

This is what I mean about the writing, ultimately. If you don't know why ChatGPT writing is sort of essentially banal and detracts from honesty and authenticity, you're the sort of person who shouldn't be using it.

(And if you do know why, you don't need to use it)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by influx » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:10 PM UTC

ikety wrote: post #252

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239

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I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Wow that's super impressive. I need to stop making excuses and being afraid of doing big side projects with this many tools at my disposal.

I wrote a Blackjack simulator using 90% LLM as a fun side project.

https://github.com/mmichie/cardsharp

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ben_w » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:11 PM UTC

noworriesnate wrote: post #225

moonmagick wrote: post #203

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Statistically, this form of abuse is extremely common. Something like 2-5% of women who have a sibling are sexually abused by them. Sam would have also been a child at this time. My experience of this world, especially SF startup scene, is that most people are mentally ill in some way and some people are just better at hiding it. We can both accept that Sam's sister is a bit ill, this probably did happen, and we prob…

What harsh punishment are we talking about here? Let's be specific: we should collectively call for him to step down from his role in OpenAI. That is not harsh. OpenAI is extremely influential on our society, and he is probably not a well balanced person.

Who aligns the aligners?

Taking Sam Altman's statements about AGI power and timelines seriously (for the sake of discussion), his position as CEO directs more power than all presidents and kings combined. Even if he was widely regarded as being amazing and nobody had a word to say against him right now, the USA has term limits on presidents. Taking him seriously, he should also.

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On this specific claim however, requiring people to step down due to unsubstantiated allegations, without proof, is trivial for his political opponents to take advantage of. And he has many political opponents.

The huge problem with such abuse is that it's simultaneously very common and very difficult to actually prove.

Both halves of the current situation are independently huge problems:

Absent physically surveilling almost every home, I don't know what can even be done about proving who did what.

If you could catch everyone… between the fact that this is a topic that gets people lynched so suggesting anything less than prison time is unlikely to be possible, and the estimates moonmagick gave of how many people do that (x4-x10 the current USA prison population), I think it may be literally beyond most national budgets to be able to imprison that many people and they would try anyway.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by janoc » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 9:12 PM UTC

moomoo11 wrote: post #257

siliconc0w wrote: post #229

I don't really don't understand the appeal iterating on code in the browser away from the rest of the code base outside of cool demos. You really need to give the model context about your data model, code conventions, library choices, etc and be able to exercise it with tests to get to an acceptable result.

It’s cool for noobs and hobbyists.

And venture capital.