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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

I have some bad experience about it. Asked it to help generate python code to make a vpn server with extra layers, but it refused. What in the dictatorship is this? ChatGPT on the other hand did it with no problems. Seems like Claude has a lot more censorship and restrictions for what I tested it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ikety »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239
aeze wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on the principle (using the better product) but interestingly I've had the opposite experience when comparing Claude 3.5 Sonnet vs GPT 4o. Claude's been far and away superior on coding tasks. What have you been testing for?

I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Wow that's super impressive. I need to stop making excuses and being afraid of doing big side projects with this many tools at my disposal.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by rglover »

elashri wrote: post #244
rglover wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you prefer to support Claude, check out Parrot [1]. I'll be adding a feature similar to this backed by Claude 3.5 Sonnet over the next few weeks. [1] https://codewithparrot.com

In your landing page it says about competitors > They're not wasting hours trying to "figure out" a solution I am pretty sure that we don't have AGI that would figure our solutions to our problems (coding or not) on its own yet. And from experience, you would need to solve the problems at least conceptually before using LLM and try to get something useful out of that.

Depends on scope, but Parrot is tuned to decently one-shot a lot of stuff.

For example, I need to implement HTTP/2 in my JS framework and was curious about what the code would look like. Here's the result from the following prompt: https://www.imghippo.com/i/xR2Zk1727987897.png (full code it gave me here: https://gist.github.com/rglover/069bdaea91c629e95957610b484e...).

Prompt:

> Help me implement an HTTP/2 enabled server using Express.js.

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When I initially researched how to do this just following the Node.js docs, Google results, and SO, it was fairly confusing (easily wasted an hour or two). This immediately gave me what I needed to understand the approach in a few seconds.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by CharlieDigital »

dmitrygr wrote: post #249
CharlieDigital wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Ask him in a year how maintenance went

The whole thing is literally stapled together right now -- and he knows it, but he's got paying users and validated the problem. If he's at it for a year, it won't matter: it means he'll be making money and can either try to get funded or may be generating enough revenue to rebuild it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by janalsncm »

throwgfgfd25 wrote: post #7

Do they not understand that the example text they are using in the first image is so laughably banal that it makes an entire segment of its potential audience not want to engage at all? Shoot me in the face if my own writing is ever that bad. ETA: just to be clear... I am not a great writer. Or a bad one. But this is a particular kind of bad . The kind we should all try to avoid.

> Do they not understand

I see this all the time from AI boosters. Flashy presentation, and it seems like it worked! But if you actually stare at the result for a moment, it’s mediocre at best.

Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. So if you ask it to “write a poem about pizza” as long as it generally fits the description it goes into the demo.

We saw this with Gemini’s hallucination bug in one of their demos, telling you to remove film from a camera (this would ruin the photos on the film). They obviously didn’t know anything about the subject beforehand.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by moomoo11 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #250
jug wrote: post #245

Ugh. Code reviews and helping out with tedious code comments. That's great stuff for software developers. And will be a headache to control for our company. This is taking increasingly more restraint from developers to not send code as-is straight to OpenAI, especially when the features are fundamentally built on that you do so. OpenAI doesn't train on business data on their enterprise plans but the problem is if a c…

I guess your company will have to update their rules about sharing code with ai then. Not to worry your code is not that special, your data is.

I feel bad for the ppl who will or probably already are dealing with this crap. TFW someone shares a data dump with AI

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by moomoo11 »

siliconc0w wrote: post #229

I don't really don't understand the appeal iterating on code in the browser away from the rest of the code base outside of cool demos. You really need to give the model context about your data model, code conventions, library choices, etc and be able to exercise it with tests to get to an acceptable result.

It’s cool for noobs and hobbyists.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by bachittle »

freediver wrote: post #215
pragmomm wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canvas is closer to Cursor ( https://www.cursor.com ) than Claude. I wonder how Paul Graham thinks of Sam Altman basically copying Cursor and potentially every upstream AI company out of YC, maybe as soon as they launch on demo day. Is it a retribution arc?

Cursor was one of the first AI editors I used, but recently Aider has completely replaced the AI assisted coding for me. I still use cursor but just as an editor, all LLM work is done with aider in the shell.

I replaced Cursor with continue.dev. It allows me to run AI models locally and connect it with a vscode plugin instead of replacing vscode with a whole new IDE, and it's open source.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by TiredOfLife »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

Jetbrains have their own AI.

There is also https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial I have been using the free tier of it for half a year, and quite like it.

Supermaven has https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven also good free tier. (Although they recently got investment to make their own editor.)

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by byearthithatius »

carom wrote: post #247
cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

Their API is unusable due to rate limits. Myself and my wife have both had ideas, started using it, and found other approaches after hitting rate limits. I tried funding more money in the account to increase the rate limits and it did not work. I imagine they see poor growth there because of this.

You need to use it for some time to get into their higher tiers of usage. I used to also have this problem and it annoyed me greatly, but once I got to usage tier 4 it never happened again (except for o1-preview but that just wastes tokens IMO).
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