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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 1659447091 » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

> but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding

Unless I'm missing something about Canvas, gh CoPilot Chat (which is basically ChatGPT?) integrates inline into IntelliJ. Start a chat from line numbers and it provides a diff before applying or refining.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #125

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

> clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. where does Claude have a canvas like interface? I'm only seeing https://claude.ai/chat and I would love to know.

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by 8338550bff96 » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

serjester wrote: post #59

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

75% of OpenAI's revenue is coming from their consumer business - the better question is the long term viability of their public API. But if they believe they're going to reach AGI, it makes no sense to pigeonhole themselves to the interface of ChatGPT. Seems like a pretty sensible decision to maintain both.

75%? Thats astonishing to me. Where are you able to see those details?

It wouldn't surprise me if not a lot of enterprises are going through OpenAI's enterprise agreements - most already have a relationship with Microsoft in one capacity or another so going through Azure just seems like the lowest friction way to get access. If how many millions we spend on tokens through Azure to OpenAI is any indication of what other orgs are doing, I would expect consumer's $20/month to be a drop in the bucket.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by wenc » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:05 PM UTC

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #125

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

> clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. where does Claude have a canvas like interface? I'm only seeing https://claude.ai/chat and I would love to know.

Claude can generate Artifacts but they are not inline editable and they keep getting regenerated at every prompt.

Canvas appears to be different in that it allows inline editing and also prompting on a selection. So not the same as Claude.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by globular-toast » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:06 PM UTC

j0hnyl wrote: post #139

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

As much as I want to like Claude, it sucks in comparison to ChatGPT in every way I've tested, and I'm going to use the better product. As a consumer, the governance model only results in an inferior product that produces way more refusals for basic tasks.

This is why free markets aren't the solution to all our problems.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mvdtnz » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:06 PM UTC

csomar wrote: post #100

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they not understand They don't care. Their goal is to accelerate the production of garbage.

I am trying to convince myself that I am not insane and everyone else is. The platform was literally down for me for a good 12 hours or so because they had an auth problem or bug. Their interface is subpar yet they are trying to convince people that this is replacing knowledge worker any minute now. I recommended to a friend that he uses chatGPT to write some English content and it did a bad job. I checked bolt yeste…

I'm with you. I feel like I'm losing my mind. Everyone around me is talking about the looming AGI, death of the knowledge worker and how "everything" has changed. But every time I try to use these text generators I get nothing useful from them. It's like the whole world has bought into a mass hallucination.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by pragmomm » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:07 PM UTC

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

Canvas is closer to Cursor (https://www.cursor.com) than Claude.

I wonder how Paul Graham thinks of Sam Altman basically copying Cursor and potentially every upstream AI company out of YC, maybe as soon as they launch on demo day.

Is it a retribution arc?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by nsonha » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:07 PM UTC

charlie0 wrote: post #104

Did they just kill Cursor?

Have you actually tried? I have not, but just look at how it still regenerates the entire code instead of producing a diff. Who iterates on software like that?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by aeze » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:08 PM UTC

j0hnyl wrote: post #139

arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

As much as I want to like Claude, it sucks in comparison to ChatGPT in every way I've tested, and I'm going to use the better product. As a consumer, the governance model only results in an inferior product that produces way more refusals for basic tasks.

Agreed on the principle (using the better product) but interestingly I've had the opposite experience when comparing Claude 3.5 Sonnet vs GPT 4o.

Claude's been far and away superior on coding tasks. What have you been testing for?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by torginus » Thu, Oct 03, 2024, 7:08 PM UTC

smy20011 wrote: post #66

A pretty good UX improvement for ChatGPT. I think they will fork VScode and make an AI editor later. Although It's confusing for me the OAI seems spend more time on end user product instead of working on AGI.

OpenAI probably employs traditional software engineers as well as a ton of researches.

The former are building tools like these, while the latter are conducting research and building new models.

Since their skillsets don't overlap that much I don't think if they skipped building products like these, the research would go faster.