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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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deepGem wrote: post #112
aresant wrote: post #30

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I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by paxys »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152
shmatt wrote: post #136

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I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

> to dismiss any AI algorithm

Or even human intelligence

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by jjulius »

deepGem wrote: post #112
aresant wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.

Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by timr »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152
shmatt wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

And you can dismiss any argument with your response.

"Your argument is just a reductive rhetorical strategy."

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by Recursing »

ruddct wrote: post #86

Related (possibly): OpenAI to remove non-profit control and give Sam Altman equity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548

Interesting that gwern predicted this as well yesterday

> Translation for the rest of us: "we need to fully privatize the OA subsidiary and turn it into a B-corp which can raise a lot more capital over the next decade, in order to achieve the goals of the nonprofit, because the chief threat is not anything like existential risk from autonomous agents in the next few years or arms races, but inadequate commercialization due to fundraising constraints".

> It's about laying the groundwork for the privatization and establishing rhetorical grounds for how the privatization of OA is consistent with the OA nonprofit's legally-required mission and fiduciary duties. Altman is not writing to anyone here, he is, among others, writing to the OA nonprofit board and to the judge next year.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41629493

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by ethbr1 »

jordanb wrote: post #118
xwowsersx wrote: post #71

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I think OP means the failed coup in which they attempted to oust Altman?

Yeah the GP's point is the board was acting within its purview by dismissing the CEO. The coup was the successful counter-campaign against the board by Altman and the investors.

Let's be honest: in large part by Microsoft.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by nopromisessir »

dfgtyu65r wrote: post #121
nopromisessir wrote: post #105

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Highly speculative. Also highly cynical. Some folks are professional and mature. In the best organisations, the management team sets the highest possible standard, in terms of tone and culture. If done well, this tends to trickle down to all areas of the organization. Another speculation would be that she's resigning for complicated reasons which are personal. I've had to do the same in my past. The real pro's give t…

This feels naive, especially given what we now know about Open AI.

If you care to detail supporting evidence, I'd be keen to see.

Please no speculative pieces, rumor nor hearsay.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by FactKnower69 »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

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It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by ttcbj »

vasco wrote: post #166
startupsfail wrote: post #115

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Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> Yet the company is still shipping, like no other If executives / high level architects / researchers are working on this quarter's features something is very wrong. The higher you get the more ahead you need to be working, C-level departures should only have an impact about a year down the line, at a company of this size.

This is a good point. I had not thought of it this way before.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by mcast »

aresant wrote: post #13

It is unsuprising that Murati is leaving, she was reported to be one of the principal advocates for pushing Sam out (1) Of course everybody was quick to play nice once OpenAI insiders got the reality check from Satya that he'd just crush them by building an internal competing group, cut funding, and instantly destroy lots of paper millionaires. I'd imagine that Mira and others had 6 - 12 month agreeements in place to…

Trent Reznor and David Fincher need to team up again to make a movie about this.
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