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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by iLoveOncall »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152
shmatt wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

And there's nothing wrong about that: the fact that _artificial intelligence_ will never lead to general intelligence isn't exactly a hot take.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by Apocryphon »

ben_w wrote: post #141
Apocryphon wrote: post #69

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What if she believes AGI is imminent and is relocating to a remote location to build a Faraday-shielded survival bunker.

Then she hasn't ((read or watched) and (found plausible)) any of the speculative fiction about how that's not enough to keep you safe.

No one knows how deep the bunker goes

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by stathibus »

uhtred wrote: post #143
keeptrying wrote: post #57

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Artificial General Intelligence requires a bit more than parsing and predicting text I reckon.

at the very least you could say "parsing and predicting text, images, and audio". and you would be correct - physical embodiment and spatial reasoning are missing.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by sllewe »

bookofjoe wrote: post #108
aresant wrote: post #30

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I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

"When you strike at a king, you must kill him." — Emerson

or an alternate - "Come at the king - you best not miss" -- Omar Little.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by rvnx »

stagger87 wrote: post #129
deepGem wrote: post #112

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Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.

It's in nobodies best interest to do this especially when there is so much money at play.

A bit ironic for a non-profit

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by vasco »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

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It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> Yet the company is still shipping, like no other

If executives / high level architects / researchers are working on this quarter's features something is very wrong. The higher you get the more ahead you need to be working, C-level departures should only have an impact about a year down the line, at a company of this size.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by kranke155 »

nopromisessir wrote: post #149
itsoktocry wrote: post #128

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What leads you to believe that OpenAI is one of the best managed organizations?

Many hours of interviews. Organizational performance metrics. Frequency of scientific breakthroughs. Frequency and quality of product updates. History of consistently setting the state of the art in artificial intelligence. Demonstrated ability to attract world class talent. Released the fastest growing software product in the history of humanity.

We have to see if they’ll keep executing in a year, considering the losses in staff and the non technical CEO.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

lacker wrote: post #80
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by rvnx »

paxys wrote: post #72
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Regardless of where AI currently is and where it is going, you don't simply quit as CTO of the company that is leading the space by far in terms of technology, products, funding, revenue, popularity, adoption and just about everything else. She was fired, plain and simple.

You can leave and be happy with 30M+ USD in stocks and prospects of easy to find a job also.
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