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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by boramalper »

homebrewer wrote: post #117
boramalper wrote: post #110

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> the whole point of GDocs is collaborative editing Strong disagree. Collaborative editing is one of the major points but not the only one. For me and I believe many others, being able to view and edit my documents in a web browser is a huge convenience. (Speaking of collaborative editing, OnlyOffice too supports it. [0] However, you might need to setup a standalone “document server” [1] if you’ve a lot of collaborat…

I supported a NextCloud + OnlyOffice server for 4 years for a 100-person company, and have since moved to Collabora Code (which has been running for ~2 years now). IME Code has better performance, is easier to upgrade, provides better compatibility with MS Office (since it's basically LibreOffice with a web UI), and is easier to integrate with (I wrote some integrations for a couple of internal systems and it's been…

Good to know. I’ve been sticking with OnlyOffice only because it’s supported out of the box on Hetzner [0] (as in, I don’t need to setup and maintain any “document server”). Surprisingly, this is what they say about Collabora:

> Due to performance reasons, we cannot support the built-in version of Collabora. So if you still want to use Collabora, you will need to provide your own server. You could use, for example, one of our unmanaged dedicated root servers or a Hetzner Cloud server. You can activate Collabora via the App Store, but you will need to use the other server for data processing. You as the customer are responsible for configuring this server yourself in the app's settings.

[0] https://docs.hetzner.com/konsoleh/storage-share/faq/addition...

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by avuton »

akvadrako wrote: post #156
ruph123 wrote: post #153

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I run my own nextcloud server now for over 5 years. There are some frustrations like the photo app which is uselessly slow. But for the files sync, contacts/calendar and some other apps it works well. It _does_ offer a million different things and some of those are half baked but the core functionality (a dropbox-like file storage) is decent in my experience. Updates have never been an issue. And honestly I am always…

The file syncing is not very good either. It's based off WebDAV and very slow. If you only have a few files it's workable, but it isn't competitive with Dropbox, SyncThing or any of the popular alternatives.

I've noticed issue with older hardware. After a recent upgrade to modern hardware (LAN based), all performance issues have been resolved. Currently serving to >30 devices, including 4K media to multiple endpoints and 100Ks files.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

lolinder wrote: post #169
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #128

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> What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative Try Etherpad ( https://etherpad.org/ ) > I ended up going with Seafile for file backups and have been very happy with it I went through probably dozens of solutions and ended up with Syncthing for synchronization of data (it requires understanding how it works but once you do (usually an eureka kind of moment) this is a very powerful system. For me using…

I guess to be clear, I do both—the central Seafile server is backed up by Borg. Seafile has file version history, so it's more than pure syncing and has so far been sufficient for backups, but I also run it on site so it's not safe in that sense and the data matters enough to be worth redundancy.

Ah ok, same as me. I gather data from other places with Seafile to a ToBackup older (with a subfolder per system) and this gets backed up together with the main server key data.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

touggourt wrote: post #135
sneak wrote: post #98

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Nextcloud ate my data on a single user installation with no fancy settings turned on, with no upgrades attempted. The sync client on desktop said it was fully synced. Only 200GB of 800GB was on the machine. It’s some of the worst software I have ever used. It’s the pentagon house with the inverted roof built with the two-clawed hammer that eevee described.

> The sync client on desktop said it was fully synced. Only 200GB of 800GB was on the machine. Did you read the manual? It is recommended for such size to do the first sync using rsync (or similar) followed by the CLI command to build the files database.

A service that manages data cannot fail on such things. Nextcloud could refuse this first sync and point to solutions but losing data just "because the manual says rsync" is not acceptable

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Post by aquaticsunset »

TheChaplain wrote: post #116
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

This has been my experience as well. The only major instability was due to the Ubuntu snap based runtime, which I migrated away from a few years ago.

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Post by eptcyka »

TheChaplain wrote: post #116
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

What do you do to make performance not suck? Have been using it for years, but it just sucks in terms of showing me my pictures.

Also, what do iOS people do to make their auto upload folders upload automatically without having to open the app?

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Post by sneak »

shwouchk wrote: post #167
sneak wrote: post #106

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It always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when opportunists charge money for software they didn’t produce, simply by capitalizing on the fact that it’s difficult and annoying to sideload on iPhones.

It’s a one time $5 fee, integrates with the files app and generally has a few features that are not part of the base OSS app, such as the background syncs. It also sometimes gets affected by bugs that are not do not affect the “vanilla” syncthing, which takes some non-zero time to resolve and which indicate there is some effort going into creating this “port”. That took some time for the dev to create and would take…

I cannot enter into the Apple Developer Program, or I would have released a lot of free builds of f/oss iOS apps already.

Sadly Apple requires doxxing yourself to publish apps, which IMO is a human rights violation. You also need to provide a working phone number to be able to install even free apps on a phone or tablet you have already purchased. These policies stand directly in opposition to their stated value that “privacy is a human right”.

The time of forced side loading support cannot come soon enough.

> Of course, I would welcome and am waiting for the release of your alternative free version. Until this time I’ll take your comment as yet another “i hate apple” post.

In my home a few minutes ago I just re-hung a framed, signed, and numbered print of some of Susan Kare’s pixel art for the original Macintosh System 1.0. It’s a common misconception that I hate Apple, but nothing could be further from the truth. Of course, you are free to continue believing incorrect things. :)

FWIW, I paid the $5 and have Möbius Sync Pro installed on my phone. But, as a Syncthing contributor, fuck them.

(Separately, it doesn’t even work right, whilst iCloud does, because of Apple’s anticompetitive bias against third party apps replicating OS functionality.)

> Judging by your comment I suppose you don’t use generic drugs or any products based on expired patents not by the original patent inventor.

I don’t believe in the concept of intellectual property. You misunderstand where I’m coming from. It’s a dick move to profit directly off the misfortune or hard work of others, which is precisely what the Möbius Sync authors are doing. It has nothing to do with patents or copyrights or what is or is not legally permitted to be done with the code.

You will note that I release all of my own software into the public domain, not under copyleft licenses. People should be free to be a dick, just as I’m free to point it out.

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Post by leetnewb »

mort96 wrote: post #24
NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

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I agree with this but at the same time I find NC very useful as a hub that centrally hosts my data and can then speak to other software using common protocols. For example my calendars, contacts, todo lists and notes are all hosted via NC, and I use WebDAV/CalDAV/CardDAV clients on my laptop and phone to interact with it. I definitely agree NC's core functionality could be more polished though. Performance issues don…

The performance issues are noticeable to me because I'm hosting it on a Raspberry Pi 4. I figured that the bottleneck when syncing etc would be network and disk IO so the Pi would be fine; however when I'm syncing, all cores are pegged at 100% by the PHP processes . I've enabled bytecode cache and Redis and all the other normal performance things, PHP itself is just too slow. And I imagine that at least part of the i…

In the past, the discussion about sync speed seemed to focus on the webdav implementation that nextcloud uses.

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Post by lolinder »

righthand wrote: post #170
lolinder wrote: post #101

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> it wants to do everything and does none well I can't speak to the other points you made because this has always stopped me from investing in it. What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative, but every time I've installed it (3-4 times at this point) I'm quickly overwhelmed by the quantity of stuff it includes and by how complicated actually setting up the Docs replacement was (at the time the recomm…

Honestly I realized I don’t need a web editor to change the documents, I just needed the documents on whatever device I was using. I set up syncthing to sync my Documents folder with a whitelist for specific directories and a $5 vps lets me get access to whatever documents I need. No need for a domain name and web ui when it’s all desktop apps all the way down. For collaborative editing LibreOffice Writer has a colla…

Does LibreOffice now allow collaborating on one document at the same time? I can use local synced files for most things, but when I need to work with my wife on a document together I always have to fall back on Google.

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Post by VertanaNinjai »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #130
TheChaplain wrote: post #116

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I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

> Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images I've run it for about a year until the upgrade tipped me over. I am sure that correct upgrades (n to n+1) are fine - I tried n to n+2 and instead of explaining to me that this is not possible, Nextcloud explained to me that this is not possible and fucked up big my install. I had to recover from a backup.

So they told you that’s not supported and don’t do it. You then did it and seem surprised at a bad outcome. And you’re blaming the software and/or vendor?
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