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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #131
doubled112 wrote: post #125

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I have also found that if you stick to the core functionality it works fine. As soon as I started to add apps from the store it starts to be a pain. An upgrade comes out and you’re stuck on that version until they all update, OR you update not realizing and lose the functionality for some time. Since I self-host a bunch of apps, it made more sense to use different apps dedicated to those features, like Miniflux or Na…

You haven't necessarily gained anything by going to managing standalone apps individually, though. You've removed the unifying layer, but you're now having to keep up with the app versions and upgrade them individually by hand instead of letting the unifying layer handle it.

If you use docker + watchtower all this is done automatically

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by davidee »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

Nightmare seems like a bit of hyperbole.

Look, it's not without its quirks, but it's pretty reliable. Speed and responsiveness can be further upped by using an in-memory cache like Redis/Valkey.

Nextcloud can try to be everything it wants, but as users we can ignore that and stick to file-sharing/online/cloud storage.

If one is using it primarily for file storage/sharing, it works reasonably well. We have ~1TB of Nextcloud data on an NFS share (itself snapshotted ZFS), backed up to B2 regularly.

If something happens to a Nextcloud server (and it has), restoring the data is as simple as recreating the users and copying over the data directory for each user (provided you're not using it for calendaring and such). A quick OCC command to re-index user data and we're back.

We haven't had any issues running the docker image (orchestrated via HCP Nomad).

We have also helped a friend run Nextcloud for their small non-profit, as a snap on an EC2 instance in AWS. It keeps itself up-to-date and has been pretty-much problem free for years. EBS Snapshots cover backups there.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by ruph123 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

I run my own nextcloud server now for over 5 years. There are some frustrations like the photo app which is uselessly slow. But for the files sync, contacts/calendar and some other apps it works well. It _does_ offer a million different things and some of those are half baked but the core functionality (a dropbox-like file storage) is decent in my experience.

Updates have never been an issue. And honestly I am always a bit surprised by that. I don’t update to a new version right away but when I’m ready, I change the version in the docker compose, pull, re-up the container. It performs the database migration and brings up everything. Never had an issue after using it for years. Not sure what your exact setup is, but it’s certainly not a nightmare to use.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

touggourt wrote: post #137
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #128

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> What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative Try Etherpad ( https://etherpad.org/ ) > I ended up going with Seafile for file backups and have been very happy with it I went through probably dozens of solutions and ended up with Syncthing for synchronization of data (it requires understanding how it works but once you do (usually an eureka kind of moment) this is a very powerful system. For me using…

>> What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative > Try Etherpad ( https://etherpad.org/ ) He should better use OnlyOffice, Collabora or Cryptpad office suite. The Cryptpad server is the only one which is not a nightmare to install and setup.

Etherpad took me a few minutes to install on docker. Not sure why you do not like it

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by davidee »

polycaster wrote: post #12
gostsamo wrote: post #3

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No comment on anything else, but the tone of the page is so schoolyard. For a company that targets enterprise and government clients, petty jabs at the weather app look unprofessional.

The "Comparison" section of the Product Ownership also seems rather ridiculous, where NextCloud is just a questionable "fork" while ownCloud glouriously carries the torch of product ownership. Especially since it's placed directly below the "License" section. Apparently, someone didn't quite understand the idea behind the GPL.

This is just like Oracle claiming OpenOffice is the better project and the LibreOffice fork is a shady knock-off.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by akvadrako »

ruph123 wrote: post #153
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

I run my own nextcloud server now for over 5 years. There are some frustrations like the photo app which is uselessly slow. But for the files sync, contacts/calendar and some other apps it works well. It _does_ offer a million different things and some of those are half baked but the core functionality (a dropbox-like file storage) is decent in my experience. Updates have never been an issue. And honestly I am always…

The file syncing is not very good either. It's based off WebDAV and very slow. If you only have a few files it's workable, but it isn't competitive with Dropbox, SyncThing or any of the popular alternatives.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by waveBidder »

akdev1l wrote: post #124
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #49

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I'm not a security specialist, but it seems to me that while managed services typically have better security and sysadmin resourcing, they also have the downside that their security can fail at a massive scale. If someone defeated the security of, say, GitHub, they could leak all the private repos stored there. Managed services also have to accept connections from the public Internet, which on-premises solutions do n…

> If someone defeated the security of, say, GitHub, they could leak all the private repos stored there. In theory you are correct but this is like saying keeping your money under your mattress is safer than a bank. Yes, in theory someone can still all the money at a bank but the bank is infinitely more qualified/competent to not get robbed than you would be.

banks aren't safe because they're unrobbable, they get robbed all the time. They're safe because they're the ones taking on the risk. Data isn't fungible like cash though.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by doubled112 »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #151
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't necessarily gained anything by going to managing standalone apps individually, though. You've removed the unifying layer, but you're now having to keep up with the app versions and upgrade them individually by hand instead of letting the unifying layer handle it.

If you use docker + watchtower all this is done automatically

I don’t use Watchtower, but a script that takes a btrfs snapshot before doing a docker compose pull, then docker compose up.

Same idea, just safer and fewer surprises.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by doubled112 »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #131
doubled112 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have also found that if you stick to the core functionality it works fine. As soon as I started to add apps from the store it starts to be a pain. An upgrade comes out and you’re stuck on that version until they all update, OR you update not realizing and lose the functionality for some time. Since I self-host a bunch of apps, it made more sense to use different apps dedicated to those features, like Miniflux or Na…

You haven't necessarily gained anything by going to managing standalone apps individually, though. You've removed the unifying layer, but you're now having to keep up with the app versions and upgrade them individually by hand instead of letting the unifying layer handle it.

I gained working music and RSS that week.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by rc_mob »

vid wrote: post #120

I've been looking into NextCloud to recommend to a government agency. The world desperately need competition or at least something compatible with the m365 stack, because it's eating the world and taking a lot of choice away and killing a lot of innovation outside the Microsoft funnel, since Microsoft is not interested in a lot of tech (for example, network schemas, useful for "tell us once" type applications, since…

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