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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by m463 »

throwaway48540 wrote: post #61
Brian_K_White wrote: post #21

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Was there a point to this story? I have a pixel 5a with a dead screen that runs but can't be used because the dead part is part of the motherboard not the screen. It's a known problem with this model. So it still runs, but I can't recover any pics or texts from dead people from it because I can't respond to the screen prompts to allow the USB connection. I don't see how I'm any better off.

Use USB-C to connect a hub with display and mouse, copy data over internet.

Could usb-c also connect an ethernet port and/or a flash drive?

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by oneplane »

ghodith wrote: post #114
oneplane wrote: post #104

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> but clearly that's not necessary You are both wrong and contradicting yourself. If it isn't necessary, then complaining about the tools is moot since as you wrote yourself, it's not necessary. But, if you design a portable consumer device and you know to what tolerance you need a battery to be adhered to the case to make it not come loose, you know what pressure, movement, adhesive etc. are needed to make that happ…

> What they reproduced is the parameters. And that is exactly what you want. A repaired product should be as close to a freshly manufactured product as possible if you're going to be liable for it. This has some sense to it, mostly from the liability point of view, but this > if you design a portable consumer device and you know to what tolerance you need a battery to be adhered to the case to make it not come loose,…

> The fixtures are primarily for efficiency gains

I agree, however, the battery example was a prime candidate for "it is not always as simple as it seems". LiPo batteries don't like getting squished.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sholladay »

miles wrote: post #2

> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 >. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that hold…

The last few are just for your safety and can obviously be skipped if you feel like being a cowboy. And to me, “zero tools” makes it sound like that’s your preferred approach. So why count them against one phone but not the other?

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by userbinator »

appendix-rock wrote: post #41
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

Sorry, but have you ever repaired anything? The number of things the price and complexity of a phone, that can be repaired for less than the replacement cost, when you include tools, is…very small.

I've repaired older Androids. The only tools I needed were a set of screwdrivers, which I already had. The fact that Apple is trying to make it seem like you need special tools only for their devices is the problem.

I also repair my white goods, black goods, car, HVAC, etc. Most of those don't require special tools either.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by School-Cotton »

userbinator wrote: post #134
appendix-rock wrote: post #41

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Sorry, but have you ever repaired anything? The number of things the price and complexity of a phone, that can be repaired for less than the replacement cost, when you include tools, is…very small.

I've repaired older Androids. The only tools I needed were a set of screwdrivers, which I already had. The fact that Apple is trying to make it seem like you need special tools only for their devices is the problem. I also repair my white goods, black goods, car, HVAC, etc. Most of those don't require special tools either.

Then use an older android. Nobody is stopping you.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sholladay »

stavros wrote: post #97
madeofpalk wrote: post #78

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Apple has to do a lot of these repairs themselves in their stores by retail workers, often under warranty, so they are incentivised to make the repairs easier and cheaper. The more risk of a retail worker screwing up a repair means higher cost of them fixing it by replacing the whole phone. They're also incentivised to make devices smaller, more waterproof, and increase battery capacity to size ratio. These all push…

Do they actually? I haven't had to have Apple products repaired, but whenever I hear someone giving something in, they get a new or refurbished device instead of their own. I think Apple is incentivized to trash broken devices, rather than attempt to repair them even themselves, because of the massive margin, and thus low marginal cost. It's more lucrative for them to make the devices unrepairable and have you buy a…

That’s because activating a refurbished device is faster than a repair, which leads to higher customer satisfaction and service throughput. It also allows them to centralize analysis and repair of severe damage or noteworthy cases and do it asynchronously.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by makeitdouble »

wtallis wrote: post #128
makeitdouble wrote: post #90

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What seems to be lost here: - Bikes will last decades with good maintenance. An iPhone wont, even if the device hardware was somewhat kept alive most standard software functionalities will be lost. - Bikes don't mandate fancy tools for regular maintenance. Regular people won't need your super pricey tools to replace brakes or tires. You can use them if you want to, but that's your hobby, not what the maker mandates.…

> Bikes don't mandate fancy tools for regular maintenance. Phone batteries need replacing every few years. The kind of maintenance that a bike used daily will need on that schedule is absolutely stuff that requires fancy tools.

Current iPhone batteries are rated 1000 cycles. That's many years if you mostly leave your phone in standby, that will be less than a year before it significantly degrades if you're using it daily and not just for web/SNS browsing.

That's my home's experience, if you listen to The Vergecast that's the hosts' experiences as well.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by Gud »

miles wrote: post #2

> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 >. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that hold…

These are basic items, much of it safety gear.

This is a state of the art micro computer. Of course it will require tools to handle correctly.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by userbinator »

oneplane wrote: post #132
ghodith wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What they reproduced is the parameters. And that is exactly what you want. A repaired product should be as close to a freshly manufactured product as possible if you're going to be liable for it. This has some sense to it, mostly from the liability point of view, but this > if you design a portable consumer device and you know to what tolerance you need a battery to be adhered to the case to make it not come loose,…

> The fixtures are primarily for efficiency gains I agree, however, the battery example was a prime candidate for "it is not always as simple as it seems". LiPo batteries don't like getting squished.

Pouch cells are normally under compression as force is required to keep the plates together. A firm press isn't going to hurt them. If you're applying enough force to actually crush and short the cell, you are far too ham-fisted to do work like this. In fact using a tool to apply pressure is more likely to cause damage.
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