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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by fsflover »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12
userbinator wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure, which is not surprising.

> almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure Sorry, which of a 9-volt battery, alcohol wipes, safety glasses or sand (and a container for it) screams inaccessible? (And everything there is technically optional. I doubt most Treo 650 users drained the battery before touching it, or bothered with a suction cup.) Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over havin…

> Sorry, which of a 9-volt battery, alcohol wipes, safety glasses or sand (and a container for it) screams inaccessible?

On my Librem 5, I can replace the battery without any tools.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by labcomputer »

renewiltord wrote: post #49
miles wrote: post #8

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Sadly, Verizon is: CDMA Network Update https://www.verizon.com/prepaid/cdma-network-update/ > Starting Dec 31,2022 we no longer support 3G/4G Non-VoLTE. To keep your service active, upgrade your phone.

You can get a combo 5G hotspot plus power bank and tape it to the back of your device. Then you can keep using your device on WiFi alone.

Better to use rubber bands. You don’t want to have to remove that Apple-like adhesive tape when hot-swapping batteries like a quick-draw gun slinger.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by moring »

makeitdouble wrote: post #35
threeseed wrote: post #33

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The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

> Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ?

Let's assume a "no" for the sake of the discussion.

> How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ?

100s of times (for 100s of different phones, obviously), because otherwise you _would not be buying repair tools_!

The whole notion that you buy a set of high-tech tools and then use them only once or twice is the insanity that causes this whole discussion to even take place. These are tools intended for professional repair shops, not for consumers to repair their own phone.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by ghodith »

oneplane wrote: post #104
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

> but clearly that's not necessary You are both wrong and contradicting yourself. If it isn't necessary, then complaining about the tools is moot since as you wrote yourself, it's not necessary. But, if you design a portable consumer device and you know to what tolerance you need a battery to be adhered to the case to make it not come loose, you know what pressure, movement, adhesive etc. are needed to make that happ…

> What they reproduced is the parameters. And that is exactly what you want. A repaired product should be as close to a freshly manufactured product as possible if you're going to be liable for it.

This has some sense to it, mostly from the liability point of view, but this

> if you design a portable consumer device and you know to what tolerance you need a battery to be adhered to the case to make it not come loose, you know what pressure, movement, adhesive etc. are needed to make that happen for the form factor the battery is going to fit in.

as someone who works in this field, this is overstating the matter quite a bit. The tolerances for something like pressure in this instance are going to be wide enough that "press firmly" would suffice in a rework document. It's made to be very simple on purpose for manufacturing, and a lot of slop is built in so that we're not in this situation where microns or milli-newtons matter and cause a battery fire somewhere down the line. The fixtures are primarily for efficiency gains, and in that sense I would agree with the gp that press fixtures are not practically necessary in an at-home version of this process.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by fsflover »

lijok wrote: post #95
bluescrn wrote: post #54

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Replacing a consumable part, particularly a battery, should not be a complex repair requiring specialised tools.

Can you name something that Should be a complex repair?

Replacing the mainboard?

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by strunz »

bluescrn wrote: post #56
m463 wrote: post #11

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I remember dropping my treo 650 while hiking. The back cover came off, the battery went flying and worst of all - my memory card was dislodged and disappeared in the woods.

Better than dropping an iPhone, breaking the glass screen/back, then getting angry about the limited repair options…

How is that better? At least the phone is still usable and no data was lost.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sumeno »

microtonal wrote: post #70
throwaway48540 wrote: post #62

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Yes, I do.

But that's most likely 1% of the market. They can have their own phones. The rest of us just want water resistance for accidental contact with water and easily replaceable batteries.

I remember when the iPhone first came out non-tech friends had recurring nightmares about forgetting to take their phone out of their pocket before swimming.

Phones being waterproof is a huge QOL improvement

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by [deleted] »

userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by labcomputer »

CodinM wrote: post #93

This is great, and most of the comments here seem to either miss the days of the StarTAC _or_ would gladly enjoy a physically bigger device. So, I can now change the battery on my iPhone 12 Pro _and_ reset its status in the Settings->Battery field, which is great. I already have all of the tools apart from the Apple specific ones, which to be fair are very useful for someone that does this everyday, I don't - so I ca…

> This is great, and most of the comments here seem to either miss the days of the StarTAC _or_ would gladly enjoy a physically bigger device.

If HN had its way, iPhones would be made from through-hole components and 7400 logic. The battery would last all of approximately 13 minutes… so it would be not just possible, but actually necessary to swap the battery in seconds.

Ideally, the phone would be slightly unreliable (MTBF of no more than 200 hours) so that every user could experience the joy of troubleshooting the bad component and soldering in a replacement themselves.

Maybe Apple could even include a sacrificial capacitor in the power supply that is just slightly under-spec’d. That would also give users the opportunity to “soup up” their iPhones by installing a better capacitor in that one location.

It would be illegal to sell them without including (in the box with the phone) a 3000 page printed service manual containing not just schematics, but a detailed theory of operations and full source listing. Nobody would actually look that these, of course, but it’s the principle of costing the manufacturer money that matters.

Such a device would be not small. After all, you need to have room to work inside the engine bay^H^H iPhone and you don’t want the components packed in too tight to support easy maintenance. That space would also promote airflow from the three fans necessary to cool all those 7400 ICs.

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