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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by miles »

015a wrote: post #27
miles wrote: post #8

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Sadly, Verizon is: CDMA Network Update https://www.verizon.com/prepaid/cdma-network-update/ > Starting Dec 31,2022 we no longer support 3G/4G Non-VoLTE. To keep your service active, upgrade your phone.

Not just Verizon; the literal FCC, who licenses and restricts what bandwidth can be used for what purpose.

The FCC did not mandate the transition:

Why are 3G networks being phased out? https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/plan-ahead-phase-out-3g...

> As mobile carriers seek to upgrade their networks to use the latest technologies, they periodically shut down older services, such as 3G, to free up spectrum and infrastructure to support new services, such as 5G. Similar transitions have happened before. For example, some mobile carriers shut down their 2G networks when they upgraded their networks to support 4G services. Mobile carriers have the flexibility to choose the types of technologies and services they deploy, including when they decommission older services in favor of newer services to meet consumer demands.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by threeseed »

userbinator wrote: post #17
threeseed wrote: post #5

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That is significantly easier than trying to remove a glued-on battery. And removable batteries require far more internal space which is why they fell out of favour.

And removable batteries require far more internal space No they don't. Less than 1% extra volume.

Please provide source.

Especially given that you would want to preserve some form of water resistance.

Meaning you either (a) have the entire back be removable or (b) a battery injection mechanism similar to a Leica SL3. Both of which would seem to need far more than 1% extra volume.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by threeseed »

userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it.

Likewise for almost every home or car repair.

The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by Arnt »

hbbio wrote: post #22
userbinator wrote: post #19

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This is not progress, this is overengineering pretending to be progress. Batteries don't need to be glued on in the first place.

No, it helps on a lot of issues. Starting with safety (it reduces damage on drops).

That's a really good reason, but could you elaborate on the other issues? Just curious.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by makeitdouble »

threeseed wrote: post #33
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ?

If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #21
m463 wrote: post #11

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I remember dropping my treo 650 while hiking. The back cover came off, the battery went flying and worst of all - my memory card was dislodged and disappeared in the woods.

Was there a point to this story? I have a pixel 5a with a dead screen that runs but can't be used because the dead part is part of the motherboard not the screen. It's a known problem with this model. So it still runs, but I can't recover any pics or texts from dead people from it because I can't respond to the screen prompts to allow the USB connection. I don't see how I'm any better off.

Nothing solves for data loss except a half decent backup strategy.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by wtallis »

makeitdouble wrote: post #35
threeseed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

https://www.selfservicerepair.com/en-US/tool-kit-rental

Considering that it's been the same battery press going back at least as far as the iPhone 12, it's probably going to continue to be the same battery press for a long time. Especially now that they've definitely been using the same battery press across at least two methods of gluing in the battery (the adhesive with pull tabs, and the new adhesive that's released electrically).

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by rjzzleep »

userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

I was holding out for the EU DMA third party app store, but it's clear that Apple is not on a good trajectory. The fact that they slept on Siri for so long only to then finally add "Open"AI to it with limited availability is, but another dot in the pattern.

When MacOS was still called OSX and developers were the Macbooks greatest contributors and cheerleaders, things looked a lot different. A lot of the current framework components were copied from community components back then.

I'll miss the closed loop payment card support from iOS, but for everything else, I'll just say good riddance ...

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by raverbashing »

miles wrote: post #2

> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 >. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that hold…

"every tool you need" sounds like basic stuff for a repair shop

Nobody is going and buying the Apple 9v battery or "Apple sand"

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by dperrin »

makeitdouble wrote: post #35
threeseed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

> Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ?

Lots of my bike tools I have will take over a decade to get my money back on my stuff alone. But I get to do something I mostly enjoy. I can also help out friends/acquaintances when they need it. The same goes for this.

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