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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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kristopolous wrote: post #121
epistasis wrote: post #113

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The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so. NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by foobazgt »

rstupek wrote: post #46
connicpu wrote: post #23

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I feel bad for people who can't charge at home. I get to charge at my residential 11.5¢/kWh. Though I don't go far from home very often so I've never charged anywhere else. If I wasn't getting this rate the savings over gas would get a lot narrower.

My electric plan has free evenings so I charge for free!

Ditto

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Post by notpushkin »

kelnos wrote: post #61
aniviacat wrote: post #15

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But they gain the selling point that charging Teslas is cheaper.

Something I hope is legislated away in the future. Can you imagine if the norm was that you got a different price for gas at gas stations depending on who owns the gas station and who manufactured your car?

If my car comes with a gas station’s loyalty card I don’t really see a problem.

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Post by kristopolous »

mattmaroon wrote: post #130
kristopolous wrote: post #121

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But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

I think cars will be more commodified internationally as EV efficiencies continue to drive the prices down and new lower cost tiers for different vehicle classes open up.

This has certainly happened in China and arguably manifests itself as scooter/motorcycle culture in places like Taiwan, Vietnam and Indonesia. (In Shenzhen, the scooters were almost universally electric when I was there last month)

Imagine the container-ship car - packed efficiently and treated like any other international good that can be ordered online.

The manufacturer produces them ready for the world market in 2 technical variations, right and left - everything else is personalized. (The motorcycle avoids even the right/left problem) Essentially I don't think we're at the end game of the Toyota Production System.

So it's more about being compatible with a vision of how we'll be interfacing vehicles 10-20 years from now. That's when making these decisions wrongly will really start to bite us - after the infrastructure is rolled out and long established.

Or who knows, by then there might be an even newer plug and we'll all be on a single system.

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Post by tw04 »

kristopolous wrote: post #128
tw04 wrote: post #125

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That’s not really accurate. Europe uses CCS2 which is completely different and incompatible with CCS1 which is what we have in the US. Recently the US agreed to move to J3400 for dc fast charging with the expectation CCS will eventually go away. China uses a fourth standard GB/T which is incompatible with any of the above.

Right, China and Japan are different. Here's an older map: https://insideevs.com/news/333637/european-ccs-type-2-combo-... The US went NACS instead of CCS2. Canada and Mexico haven't made a commitment either way. It would be nice if we could work together and do just one in the same way that we didn't have to worry about fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars.

> fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars

But they are? Diesel nozzles in the US are significantly larger than in Europe.

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Post by kristopolous »

tw04 wrote: post #135
kristopolous wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, China and Japan are different. Here's an older map: https://insideevs.com/news/333637/european-ccs-type-2-combo-... The US went NACS instead of CCS2. Canada and Mexico haven't made a commitment either way. It would be nice if we could work together and do just one in the same way that we didn't have to worry about fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars.

> fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars But they are? Diesel nozzles in the US are significantly larger than in Europe.

I didn't know that about diesel. Regardless, I was hoping we could find some agreement globally .

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Post by grzm »

tw04 wrote: post #135
kristopolous wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, China and Japan are different. Here's an older map: https://insideevs.com/news/333637/european-ccs-type-2-combo-... The US went NACS instead of CCS2. Canada and Mexico haven't made a commitment either way. It would be nice if we could work together and do just one in the same way that we didn't have to worry about fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars.

> fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars But they are? Diesel nozzles in the US are significantly larger than in Europe.

In my experience, there are at least two different Diesel nozzle sizes in the US, and both are different from gasoline nozzles.

https://exchange.aaa.com/automotive/car-care-repair-and-main...

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by yieldcrv »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

I have a Mustang mache specifically because of the Tesla supercharger authorization and compatibility

It’s still bleak-ish, but is right on the cusp of getting better

Tesla’s schizophrenic behavior makes the promised adapter to have an unknown delivery date

The bootleg adapter works decently, tricky at first though

I had to learn there are multiple versions of tesla superchargers, and even of the V3 ones they are not all the latest version that I’m supposed to use. This is undocumented.

Then, of ALL of them, the charging cable is too short and in the wrong place for my vehicle. I have to take up two spots unless I’m next to another vehicle with my ‘affliction’, rare

I dont want a Tesla I want the supercharging network

Now, knowing all these things and altering my life just a little bit around the local ones, things are great

CSS charging stations are pathetic and often have long lines, while the Tesla stations are massive, don't have a line, all while an additional doubling is occurring in a roped off section

Fortunately, you don't have to supercharge and its ill advised to do it often.

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Post by evanelias »

jes5199 wrote: post #126
jes5199 wrote: post #123

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thank you. I was able to follow these instructions. One must wonder how they managed to sell out of these adapters while making it so difficult to place an order. It asked me if I wanted to fill out a customer satisfaction survey, but the form to enter my phone number was broken so I was not able to.

their rewards program login is also broken, and I tried talking to their support chatbot and it told me to try during business hours and disconnected?? none of this inspires confidence

Yeah, pretty much every single interaction I've ever had with GM/Chevy has gone this way :/ Feels like it's either an absolutely staggering level of incompetence, or the world's most effective team of sadists over there.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by toast0 »

tw04 wrote: post #135
kristopolous wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, China and Japan are different. Here's an older map: https://insideevs.com/news/333637/european-ccs-type-2-combo-... The US went NACS instead of CCS2. Canada and Mexico haven't made a commitment either way. It would be nice if we could work together and do just one in the same way that we didn't have to worry about fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars.

> fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars But they are? Diesel nozzles in the US are significantly larger than in Europe.

US Diesel cars before about 2013? didn't really care aboit nozzle size. Some diesel pumps had the old standard nozzle size; some had the new, smaller, nozzle size intended for unleaded gasoline. VW started putting in anti-misfueling devices into their cars (via recall for mine), and then you could find which stations had unleaded sized nozzles because it was hard to use those. Presumably, nearly all of those have been replaced with the old standard size.

But then truck stops have giant nozzles for the giant tanks on semi trucks. Those won't fit in a regular car.

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