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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by kristopolous »

epistasis wrote: post #113
hackernewds wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy how Tesla vastly outperformed the govt investing billions into making 8 chargers

The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so. NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often.

Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one".

I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea.

On the side of International Standardization it's me, a couple crickets, and a bunch of people telling me how wrong I am.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by rstupek »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #103
rstupek wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My electric plan has free evenings so I charge for free!

I'm surprised crypto bros haven't bought every house in your neighborhood

It’s a Texas plan not specifically for a neighborhood

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by jes5199 »

evanelias wrote: post #74
jes5199 wrote: post #62

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no, the GM-branded one that won't void my warrantee

They made it ridiculously convoluted to order. You need to use the awful MyChevrolet app, and click your initials in the corner. From there, select "Public Charging". After it loads, there should be a Tesla-related option to click towards the top. (If it's missing, force-kill the app and relaunch and try again. I had to do that, even though I was already running the latest version of the app.) Next you'll need to ent…

thank you. I was able to follow these instructions. One must wonder how they managed to sell out of these adapters while making it so difficult to place an order.

It asked me if I wanted to fill out a customer satisfaction survey, but the form to enter my phone number was broken so I was not able to.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by pkulak »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

Well, for another anecdote from the PNW, there are dozens of combo chargers in the 300 miles North of me and 6-8 in the 300 miles south. They seem to mostly work, more are going in, and old, unreliable ones are getting swapped out. It’s not perfect, but it’s fine for me. Of course, 99% of my charging is at home.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by tw04 »

kristopolous wrote: post #121
epistasis wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so. NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

That’s not really accurate. Europe uses CCS2 which is completely different and incompatible with CCS1 which is what we have in the US. Recently the US agreed to move to J3400 for dc fast charging with the expectation CCS will eventually go away. China uses a fourth standard GB/T which is incompatible with any of the above.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by jes5199 »

jes5199 wrote: post #123
evanelias wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They made it ridiculously convoluted to order. You need to use the awful MyChevrolet app, and click your initials in the corner. From there, select "Public Charging". After it loads, there should be a Tesla-related option to click towards the top. (If it's missing, force-kill the app and relaunch and try again. I had to do that, even though I was already running the latest version of the app.) Next you'll need to ent…

thank you. I was able to follow these instructions. One must wonder how they managed to sell out of these adapters while making it so difficult to place an order. It asked me if I wanted to fill out a customer satisfaction survey, but the form to enter my phone number was broken so I was not able to.

their rewards program login is also broken, and I tried talking to their support chatbot and it told me to try during business hours and disconnected?? none of this inspires confidence

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by fuzzythinker »

modeless wrote: post #109
fuzzythinker wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually cheaper at supercharger, $.26 after midnight, but ~$.50 during off peak at home after all extra fees in SJ, even after selecting EV charging plan.

$.50/kWh? That's crazy. It's $0.22 in Palo Alto ($0.19 for the first 450 kWh/month). I didn't realize it was such a good deal compared to PG&E.

It was cheaper at home for a long time. But 1+ years ago, they kept jacking up the price for no apparent reason.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by kristopolous »

tw04 wrote: post #125
kristopolous wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

That’s not really accurate. Europe uses CCS2 which is completely different and incompatible with CCS1 which is what we have in the US. Recently the US agreed to move to J3400 for dc fast charging with the expectation CCS will eventually go away. China uses a fourth standard GB/T which is incompatible with any of the above.

Right, China and Japan are different. Here's an older map: https://insideevs.com/news/333637/european-ccs-type-2-combo-...

The US went NACS instead of CCS2. Canada and Mexico haven't made a commitment either way.

It would be nice if we could work together and do just one in the same way that we didn't have to worry about fuel pump nozzle geometry being country specific with ICE cars.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by jahewson »

epistasis wrote: post #110
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them. I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak. Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny numb…

It’s shocking. I’ve had a non-Tesla electric car for about 5 years and the public chargers have always been garbage. The new ones are garbage too. If they do finally work, they charge at 1/4 the quoted speed. I had free charging for a while and even that was not enough of an incentive to use it.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by mattmaroon »

kristopolous wrote: post #121
epistasis wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so. NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on.

Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

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