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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by olyjohn »

MBCook wrote: post #80
rpmisms wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like the US free market approach is winning yet again, where the superior product is becoming the standard, and the inventor of the superior product is profiting.

I don’t know. They could have given away their connector 10 years ago and saved everyone a huge and expensive mess. But that’s in their interest. So instead dozens of companies wasted huge amounts of monies installing a bunch of cables that all have to be replaced. Or the government could have seen that they had a better option and simply taken it and said it was the standard. But of course that wouldn’t be the Ameri…

The problem is that it seems like people who believe in the free market as the solution to everything are the same ones who work hard to monopolize and destroy it.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by gpm »

hackernewds wrote: post #107
fiftyfifty wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla actually had $1.74 billion in revenue from its charging network in 2023, Bloomberg estimates that they probably made about 10% profits from that or $174 million. They are predicting that to grow to $7.4 billion in revenue by 2030. In my neck of the woods many of the Tesla superchargers I see are empty most of the time, presumably adding 3rd party vehicles is a way for Tesla to increase it's profits on their alr…

The impact of selling fewer cars due to the chaos of standing in mall lines waiting to charge is going to be a net harm I think to Tesla in the long run

Solved by continuing to expand the network. Just like we have sufficient gas stations, except chargers should be a hell of a lot cheaper to build than gas stations given the latter's environmental constraints.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by epistasis »

hackernewds wrote: post #106
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

Crazy how Tesla vastly outperformed the govt investing billions into making 8 chargers

The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so.

NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by Spivak »

moomoo11 wrote: post #108

Hot take. Tesla supercharger network is better quality and an actual product compared to their rattle box cheap ass cars. Not worth it at the price I bought, and only good as leases imo now that they’re cheap. I am an OG in the sense that I had FSD at $2k and have seen the evolution of “full self driving”. It sucks. It’s a gimmick that I would not trust with the lives of my family. I trust myself enough to use it whe…

Would be an interesting pivot for Tesla to start as a car company, jumpstart the EV market in the US, sell the badge to another automaker and supply them batteries, and become the EV gas station

It certainly makes more sense for the name.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by modeless »

tw04 wrote: post #101
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

>The chargers are few and far between Where are you that the CCS chargers are few and far between? While I agree it's annoying to have to potentially use multiple apps if you aren't in a car that has a consolidation play (like fordpass), there are far more CCS chargers in the states I've visited than Tesla counterparts. With gas station chains like Pilot, 7-eleven, Wawa, Circle-K, and others building out their own ne…

I guess it's more "few" than "far between". There are a decent number of locations in e.g. grocery store parking lots but they usually only have 2-4 fast chargers and one or two are broken. So you'll show up and someone got there before you and took the last one. Meanwhile I don't think I've ever seen a Supercharger with fewer than 8 stalls and many have 20+.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by NewJazz »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #93
ellisv wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need to fast charge often?

I barely drive these days since WFH. But when I do more than go get groceries or school drop off, it's for a 7-10 hour drive for a ski trip to Vermont or Quebec. Which would have to involve fast chargers. Granted, I could probably just drive my wife's Outlander PHEV in that case. But seeing as she just totaled my Volt...

Honestly in your situation I'd wait it out and try to work with one car. The new Ioniq 5 models will have NACS, and plenty of other good things to look forward to for other cars.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by talldatethrow »

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks.

At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I can start the car and drive away if I had to.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by epistasis »

talldatethrow wrote: post #117

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…

I live in a fairly high crime area, but I can't imagine this being true in any way. What sort of crime are you thinking? Standard mugging? So many easier targets in other areas, plus the cars record everything, and there are usually lots of others charging.

The worst experience I have had while charging late at night in a remote area was being accosted by an over-enthusiastic Tesla fan who just wanted to talk talk talk about the car and where it had gone. That was very unpleasant, but certainly not criminal.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by jes5199 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #93
ellisv wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need to fast charge often?

I barely drive these days since WFH. But when I do more than go get groceries or school drop off, it's for a 7-10 hour drive for a ski trip to Vermont or Quebec. Which would have to involve fast chargers. Granted, I could probably just drive my wife's Outlander PHEV in that case. But seeing as she just totaled my Volt...

the 2021 Bolt that I drive could probably do that trip with a single 45-minute charge stop in the middle. I know that’s slow compared to a Tesla, but it ends up being fine most of the time

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by teitoklien »

talldatethrow wrote: post #117

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…

No

Industry is already figuring out magsafe like solutions for Tesla Car chargers, it’s something else that Tesla is suing them for it lol.

Also, considering car chargers are likely to have many cars being charged, thieves would rather find it easier to steal parked out in the open cars outside people’s homes, than car charging spots which can easily be targeted by police to catch thieves red handed.

Not to mention, you’ll see more Magsafe charger implementations for Cars soon.

[see this](https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/2/24212160/tesla-evject-laws...)

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