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Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by tw04 »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

>The chargers are few and far between

Where are you that the CCS chargers are few and far between? While I agree it's annoying to have to potentially use multiple apps if you aren't in a car that has a consolidation play (like fordpass), there are far more CCS chargers in the states I've visited than Tesla counterparts.

With gas station chains like Pilot, 7-eleven, Wawa, Circle-K, and others building out their own networks, and Tesla firing basically their entire charging network staff, non-Tesla chargers will only continue to grow at a faster pace than what Tesla has to offer. At least we've standardized on J3400 plugs so we can (hopefully) move away from the game of "do you have the right adapter"?

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by modeless »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #94
maxerickson wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only ~once. A little bit of pain when there aren't that many vehicles is fine if it makes things quite a lot better going forward.

I just scheduled the upgrade for my 2018 Model 3. It’s not free, but only costs $280 and they do it in my driveway. Rumor has it I might get a CCS adapter out of the deal too, but I’m not sure. It’s an older car but still going strong, and my biggest concern is that if I don’t do the upgrade now they’ll run out of upgrade kits and the car’s value will be permanently damaged even if it lasts another ten years.

Yes, you get a CCS adapter bundled for no extra charge with the retrofit. I just had mine done.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by IncreasePosts »

rstupek wrote: post #46
connicpu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel bad for people who can't charge at home. I get to charge at my residential 11.5¢/kWh. Though I don't go far from home very often so I've never charged anywhere else. If I wasn't getting this rate the savings over gas would get a lot narrower.

My electric plan has free evenings so I charge for free!

I'm surprised crypto bros haven't bought every house in your neighborhood

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by _ea1k »

linotype wrote: post #78
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla chargers are CCS. This is misleading and not entirely true. Older Tesla chargers did not use CCS to communicate. My 2019 Model 3 doesn't support CCS at all. When I plug into a Supercharger, it's not using CCS to communicate with the charger, it's using Tesla's proprietary CAN bus protocol. Teslas made before 2021 need an ECU retrofit to support CCS.

Almost no Teslas were manufactured pre-2019 vs post-2019.

I think between 15 and 20% were build pre-2019. The number of non-CCS is actually on the higher end of this, as component shortages caused quite a few to be built without CCS support in 2020.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by _ea1k »

recursive wrote: post #22

I still haven't received my free Ford adapter. Delivery date keeps getting pushed back due to "supplier" issues. I'm pretty sure the supplier is Tesla, and they're slow-rolling it for some reason.

I think Tesla claims to be making ~8k/week now. IIRC, Ford has >200k cars out there and Rivian >100k.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by hackernewds »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

Crazy how Tesla vastly outperformed the govt investing billions into making 8 chargers

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by hackernewds »

fiftyfifty wrote: post #20
flurie wrote: post #4

I'd seen some rumors that Tesla has been trying to slow down onboarding of other automakers to their charging network, so it's good to see information to the contrary. I still struggle to see how this ends up favorable for Tesla in the long run. They did not charge licensing fees for the connector, and even if they charge a premium to charge non-Tesla vehicles, now owners of Tesla vehicles are going to run into situa…

Tesla actually had $1.74 billion in revenue from its charging network in 2023, Bloomberg estimates that they probably made about 10% profits from that or $174 million. They are predicting that to grow to $7.4 billion in revenue by 2030. In my neck of the woods many of the Tesla superchargers I see are empty most of the time, presumably adding 3rd party vehicles is a way for Tesla to increase it's profits on their alr…

The impact of selling fewer cars due to the chaos of standing in mall lines waiting to charge is going to be a net harm I think to Tesla in the long run

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by moomoo11 »

Hot take. Tesla supercharger network is better quality and an actual product compared to their rattle box cheap ass cars. Not worth it at the price I bought, and only good as leases imo now that they’re cheap.

I am an OG in the sense that I had FSD at $2k and have seen the evolution of “full self driving”. It sucks. It’s a gimmick that I would not trust with the lives of my family. I trust myself enough to use it when it was just me driving. Good for highway driving in middle lane, but other cars do that as well..

Also in my friend group it was just me who had FSD nobody else had it.

I sold my Tesla long ago when Elon start short circuiting his brain with brainrot.

However the prevalence and reliability of supercharger is unmatched.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by modeless »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #79
rconti wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in the bay area, my at home charging costs are very close to a supercharger. something like 35c vs 40c.

It's actually cheaper at supercharger, $.26 after midnight, but ~$.50 during off peak at home after all extra fees in SJ, even after selecting EV charging plan.

$.50/kWh? That's crazy. It's $0.22 in Palo Alto ($0.19 for the first 450 kWh/month). I didn't realize it was such a good deal compared to PG&E.

Re: GM electric vehicles can now access Tesla Superchargers

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Post by epistasis »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

We had some visitors to California from out of state recently, and the rental car place gave them an electric car (not Tesla), without basically any education about how to deal with them.

I'm a huge fan of electric cars, and will probably never buy anything except EVs in the future, but man are you right that the non-Tesla experience is bleak.

Charging was incredibly stressful. Few CCS chargers, each with a tiny number of charging spots (4-8), with many chargers broken, and the rest fully occupied.

I know it will get better, but I can't believe how bad it is at the moment, and can't believe that car rental companies are handing EVs out without much much more handholding.

(Edit: plus, the car navigation system had zero knowledge of how to plan a long route with charging. That's table stakes for an EV, and criminally bad management that they'd ship a car that didn't have full knowledge of the chargers out there and also how to route. Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related.)

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