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Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by ruthmarx »

labster wrote: post #92
squarefoot wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why the AdNauseam extension is so hated by Google et al. It doesn't eliminate ads but rather fights against them using a different approach: polluting the well. It is built on Ublock Origin so it indeed blocks ads, but aside doing that it also silently clicks on all of them so that data collected by advertising companies suddenly become useless. https://adnauseam.io/

I don’t get the argument. Sure it makes Google ad targeting worse, why would Google care? They have monopoly power in online ads and targeting doesn’t work that well anyway. As long as people keep buying the gimmick, no amount of bad data will amount to anything.

The argument is that if enough people do it it's causes them to lose some amount of money and maybe even lose customers.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by troupo »

ruthmarx wrote: post #139
latexr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive. Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. It’s like having a law mandating people are informed when there’s poison in their drink, then seeing people complain about the warning labels everywhere. The label…

> Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. The EU is exactly to blame for it. The activity isn't illegal, and the EU didn't make it illegal. What the *EU did* was make it so that companies engaging in that legal activity now had to disclose it in some way, and thee cookie popups are the best way to do that. It's ridiculous to try and say the EU isn't to blame when they introduced and approved t…

EU: Don't track users, don't obtain vast amounts of data on users, don't sell that data to third parties. If you you do, ask users for informed consent.

Industry: we hear you. Here's "informed consent" form riddled with dark patterns because we believe that all data is ours by God's decree, and our 15 000 "partners" agree with us

...

HN: The EU is to blame for this

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by troupo »

wkat4242 wrote: post #72

> Enact a law that requires a service to respect the do not track signal from a browser (currently entirely voluntary), and not store any tracking cookies, clear gifs or other trackers – and require that a site not “discriminate” against users who elect no tracking – basically – provide all functions to users whether they consent or do not consent. This is indeed the obvious solution. I don't understand why the EU di…

> I don't understand why the EU didn't mandate the do not track flag to be obeyed.

GDPR is a general regulation. It doesn't concern itself with browsers, or cookies. It's on industry to come up with a solution for specific technologies.

Oh, and for browsers they did. It's called the "Do Not Track" header, and the industry immediately sed it to fingerprint and track users.

> By not doing this the EU keeps getting flak for the many cookie walls.

No. It's the industry winning the PR wall. The EU never mandated the cookie walls. It's the industry's calculated malicious compliance.

Well, in the end the industry might end up with EU strictly regulating every single technical aspect of this, but then the industry will cry about government overreach or something.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by troupo »

gpvos wrote: post #90
mindwok wrote: post #3

Interesting article. This policy has felt like a complete failure, but I didn't know the depths of how badly it has failed. I would really like to see these die. Regulators should just work with browser vendors to make an API that I can set at the browser level, and websites just read that to know my preferences and leave me alone.

The API exists already: the DNT (do not track) header.

And the industry is using it to fingerprint and track users.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by GJim »

ruthmarx wrote: post #138
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

> Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? Why? It's legal and extremely lucrative. If it's really an issue, maybe the EU could actually limit these activities instead of just forcing sites to put a notification that they are attempting to engage in those activities?

I don’t know if you are trolling or so misinformed it is funny.

The UK and EU do limit those activities. They remain entirely legal providing you get explicit opt-in consent.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by joenot443 »

latexr wrote: post #132
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

> When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive. Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. It’s like having a law mandating people are informed when there’s poison in their drink, then seeing people complain about the warning labels everywhere. The label…

Legislation by the EU is why the popups are there. It really is that simple.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by latexr »

ruthmarx wrote: post #139
latexr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive. Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. It’s like having a law mandating people are informed when there’s poison in their drink, then seeing people complain about the warning labels everywhere. The label…

> Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. The EU is exactly to blame for it. The activity isn't illegal, and the EU didn't make it illegal. What the *EU did* was make it so that companies engaging in that legal activity now had to disclose it in some way, and thee cookie popups are the best way to do that. It's ridiculous to try and say the EU isn't to blame when they introduced and approved t…

> and thee cookie popups are the best way to do that.

No, the best way to do it is not invade people’s privacy. You can have ads without targeting (we did it forever before the internet) and you do not need cookie warnings if your cookies aren’t invasive.

https://commission.europa.eu/resources-partners/europa-web-g...

> The activity isn't illegal, and the EU didn't make it illegal.

Indeed that is a shame. If only.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by latexr »

joenot443 wrote: post #146
latexr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive. Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. It’s like having a law mandating people are informed when there’s poison in their drink, then seeing people complain about the warning labels everywhere. The label…

Legislation by the EU is why the popups are there. It really is that simple.

The popups are there because these websites are invading your privacy. It really is that simple.

Or, to be fair to all parties, they are there because continuous abuse by the industry forced governmental action.

Don’t invade user’s privacy and you don’t need cookie banners. Can’t get simpler than that.

https://commission.europa.eu/resources-partners/europa-web-g...

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by USiBqidmOOkAqRb »

joenot443 wrote: post #146
latexr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive. Worse, people (including on HN) actively blaming the EU for it. It’s like having a law mandating people are informed when there’s poison in their drink, then seeing people complain about the warning labels everywhere. The label…

Legislation by the EU is why the popups are there. It really is that simple.

By that train of thought alcohol and tobacco were harmless until nasty bureaucrats came along and demanded that things must be explicitly labeled. Website operators are anything but blameless.
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