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Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by Thiez »

wkat4242 wrote: post #60
RamRodification wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like big green approve button vs. "Configure my preferences" -> Untick all the things -> Make sure you click the almost invisible Save button and not accidentally click the big green "Allow All" button. Horrible. If we can force websites to do this, we should be able to force websites to read my request header NoDamnTrackingCookiesFfs

Probably worth noting that this practice is illegal in the EU. Saying no should be just as easy as saying yes. However they are very bad at enforcing it, sadly.

And 150 of the 400 "partners" will also have a pre-ticked "legitimate interest" checkbox that you have to untick separately. To me that's an automatic maximum penalty fine, but sadly there is no enforcement.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by labster »

squarefoot wrote: post #89
wkat4242 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but there's the rub. Asking Google to take analytics away just isn't going to happen. It makes them billions. And marketeers want this data because sales data only tells them where they succeeded. Not where they failed to sell, which is more interesting to them because that's where the growth is found. It'll be really hard to wean them off this.

This is why the AdNauseam extension is so hated by Google et al. It doesn't eliminate ads but rather fights against them using a different approach: polluting the well. It is built on Ublock Origin so it indeed blocks ads, but aside doing that it also silently clicks on all of them so that data collected by advertising companies suddenly become useless. https://adnauseam.io/

I don’t get the argument. Sure it makes Google ad targeting worse, why would Google care? They have monopoly power in online ads and targeting doesn’t work that well anyway. As long as people keep buying the gimmick, no amount of bad data will amount to anything.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by fredski42 »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

The vast majority of websites just want to know where their visitors are coming from and, if they are selling a product, some aggregate level of demographic knowledge to tailor their marketing efforts. They really don’t care about an individual or even small cohort and aren’t selling the data on. Targeting advertising is sooo much more effective for small and medium sized businesses and actually makes many businesses…

> The ideal solution would be to find a way for businesses to get those insights in a way that preserves privacy at the individual level.

Isn’t that what Mozilla and Meta are together experimenting with?

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by Earw0rm »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

The vast majority of websites just want to know where their visitors are coming from and, if they are selling a product, some aggregate level of demographic knowledge to tailor their marketing efforts. They really don’t care about an individual or even small cohort and aren’t selling the data on. Targeting advertising is sooo much more effective for small and medium sized businesses and actually makes many businesses…

Targeting, yes; retargeting, no.

So much user time is spent, for example, on a few big sites which have enough data within their own siloes (based on users' behaviour and topics of interest), they can target pretty well without relying on external data. The big video sites, social media, Amazon/eBay/etc.

And then there's a big layer of smaller sites who can inherently target because they're already specialist in nature.

The losers in this scenario aren't really the brands, they're big generic sites such as news media who don't have any way to acquire targeting information on their own.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by snatchpiesinger »

friendzis wrote: post #82
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither "graduates" nor "engineers" are responsible for any website functionality. They simply do the work that the management requested them to do.

The request from management to engineering was "make us gdpr compatible, show that cookie banner we see on other sites or some shit", implementation details were designed by IT.

At the same time if you suggest "maybe we shouldn't use X, Y and Z analytics then" then you get laughed out of the room. So is there really a choice?

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by Earw0rm »

mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

Presumably the partners are brought in en masse via some third party brokerage/aggregator service.

It's not like a news site is selecting and managing 1500 different partners individually.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by thn-gap »

mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

What I always find funny about this, is that the popup is presented with "We value your privacy", followed by "allow us to share data with >500 partners".

I wished that such statements had some value greater than nil.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by thn-gap »

dusted wrote: post #7

The cookie policy is a stupid value-signalling stunt with only negative real-life effects. The correct way of handling the problem would have been through request headers and browser settings, or simply, use the existing option of either allowing or disallowing cookies, and put this option on a per-site basis and a bit more into the users face..

When I'm on my phone and a website shows the ads popup, I open it in Brave, which just blocks everything. That's the current implementation of "do not track" settings.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Post by matheusmoreira »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #85
mrweasel wrote: post #65

Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties? I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go:…

The vast majority of websites just want to know where their visitors are coming from and, if they are selling a product, some aggregate level of demographic knowledge to tailor their marketing efforts. They really don’t care about an individual or even small cohort and aren’t selling the data on. Targeting advertising is sooo much more effective for small and medium sized businesses and actually makes many businesses…

It doesn't matter what they want. It doesn't matter why they want it. They are not entitled to this information. They should not be able to know anything at all about us without our explicit consent. We should not have to sacrifice our privacy and peace of mind so that businesses can succeed. If they can't succeed without surveilling us and selling us out, then let them go bankrupt.
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