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Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Is #5 really that bad? Kids can be real shitheads sometimes, but you have to be willing to really go through with it.

Yes, #1 really is that bad. Especially for _small_ children.

Yeah my 10-month old son asks for me constantly(da da di da ta ti) if I'm away from him for more than a few hours. Separation is really tough for them to deal with because they don't have the tools or sophistication to understand why we're gone and that we're coming back. I had to spend a few weeks away from him when he was 4 months when my wife needed to be somewhere with a working kitchen and a clean floor and I needed to repair our kitchen and I think he was "colicky" during that time because he didn't understand where I was or when I would be back. This persisted during the week and then when I would spend the day with them he would calm down.

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My first time hearing of it too, am ACE 10. In my mid 40s and have been having an increasing desiring for no particular reason to unpack some baggage. I think I’ve done ok in life generally, much better than the course my childhood put me on, but I think I’ve suppressed a lot of stuff and ultimately is starting to wear me down. Most notably, I just feel like a fraud a lot of times. My peers talk about how they did st…

Therapy is definitely the way to go here. They're professional unpackers. Plus I've never heard someone say they regretted starting therapy. I've heard a lot of people say they regretted quitting or waiting to start.

My wife had a really bad experience with therapy when she went with postpartum. It's not all sunshine and roses, and they can and will switch from "I care about you and want you to get better" to "I might need to send people over to your house who can separate you from your child" pretty quickly. Not seeing the therapist anymore produced a marked improvement in her affect.

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"I'm damn good at it. I just cut our phone system expenses by $300k/yr, and I'm in a project to cut our EMR expense by 70% over the next 9 months." Tell me you work in PE without telling me you work in PE.

I told you I work in PE, but that's not the point of the statement. I cut spending and improve services because I know how to spend properly. The phone system changeover gained us a lot of functionality and ease of use while cutting spending dramatically. Same with our EMR. We can get better for less, that's what I do. PE isn't the only sector that wants to cut unneeded costs.

"PE isn't the only sector that wants to cut unneeded costs."

But PE stereotypically cuts cost in a shortsighted way.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE score of 8. I grew up first generation Mexican American in a bilingual home (I spoke English with my siblings and Spanish with my parents). I'm the youngest of 8 and the only one to go to college; only half of us graduated from high school. I'm 40 now, married, the mother of 2 little girls, and a licensed mental health professional (my husband's in tech and told me about this thread).

I was sexually, physically, verbally, emotionally, and psychologically abused from birth through adulthood, with it slowing when I moved out of my parents’ home and only fully stopping when I went low-contact. I would regularly show up to school with bruises and cuts. As a 6-month-old infant, I was dropped on my head and shattered my skull due to severe neglect. I underwent 12 hours of emergency surgery and have a Grand Canyon of a scar running across my head. My sister tells me doctors said I would likely experience significant developmental delays and not be “normal”. My mother likely meets criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (Sociopathy), and definitely meets criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and chronic PTSD with psychosis. My own diagnoses have included Major Depressive Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and Complex PTSD, and my first therapist was monitoring my symptoms for OCD-primarily for obsessive presentation, since my compulsions were mostly internal/mental.

I was ahead of the curve at math and science growing up, but struggled with reading comprehension and writing, likely due to the TBI and being bilingual. As a result, I wasn’t in the gifted and talented program, but still outperformed my gifted and talented peers in math & science, graduating with high honors. I have a BA in Economics. I worked in finance for 4 years after graduating undergrad and got my trading licenses. I eventually left to join the Peace Corps and picked up two more languages during my service. I then went to grad school for a Masters in Social Work to become a therapist as I wanted to help others on their healing journey.

I’ve struggled off and on with depression, anxiety, and suicidality since I was a teen. I started therapy when I was 24. I was depressed, anxious, dissociated, and miserable despite having done all the things that represented outward success. I had been trying to hold my shit together for three years at that point. My niece had died when I was 21 and that completely broke my history of complex trauma wide open as she was murdered by her mother- my brother’s ex. Even still, it wasn’t until a roommate, seeing me come home crying every day, told me to seek help that I sought out therapy, starting a healing journey that continues to this day. As an adult I still struggle with being hard on myself and self-worth despite being objectively accomplished.

Financially, I’m doing okay. I have my own private practice where I charge more than most in my field at $185 a session. I work very limited hours as my girls are still little, but I’m looking to double my earnings into the low six figures by next year while keeping to my part-time schedule. I don’t function well in a traditional 9-5 job. I still become overwhelmed at times with juggling parenting, my private practice, and my own trauma triggers and history but my mental and emotional health have become more manageable. I noticed a big shift into wellness last year once I went very low contact with my toxic parents and some of my siblings.

I’ve done a ton of EMDR therapy and believe it has helped me and continues to help me transform my endless list of traumas and negative self-beliefs. I don’t struggle with MDD or GAD or suicidality anymore. My main motivation to continue to heal myself has been to not pass down my inter-generational trauma to my beautiful girls. I don’t ever want to hurt them the way my mother hurt me, and I am proud of myself for being a good mother and providing a safe home environment for my girls.

I wish everyone on here all the best. The journey is hard, but healing is possible, one little step at a time.

Much love to all!

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ACE 8. I didn't know this was a thing and took a test which accurately described my entire childhood with every question. I don't know where to go from here? I want the daily pain to stop.

Hi there, I would start with looking up complex trauma and looking for a therapist in your area who specializes in EMDR and parts work for complex trauma (I'm a therapist myself). The book The Body Keeps the Score provides a ton of information and good tips/strategies as well. Lots of luck and healing is possible.

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ACE of 8 here - I don't know how to qualify "gifted" but I believe I was and am a few std deviations away from median on most IQ tests I've had to take (therapists always insist I take one).

I don't feel the need to get into my childhood but there was instances of severe abuse/neglect, and extreme hoarding. Some light sexual stuff but it's all fuzzy. Our home and upbringing was a lot like that Turpin [0] family where they were basically forbidden outside contact despite maintaining normal appearances to the outside world. If that was a 10/10, mine was about a 7. I've had symptoms of PTSD since a very early age and subsequent traumatic events in adulthood.

My teens/early 20's were... difficult. I was independent by 17 and mostly was too busy trying to survive than to seriously attempt college. By my mid 20's I was able to enroll in community college and then transfer to a prestigious CS program and graduated with honors. I naively thought this would be the "end" of my problems - a lot of the trauma drove me to push through extraordinarily difficult circumstances during my time at school and trying to juggle several jobs.

In the decade since though, while I do have much more money and resources to get help than I used to, I feel I have declined. I've had persistent depression and anxiety for so long it's to the point I have difficulty recognizing it without the help of a therapist, who I see 2x a week. Found out I am very high functioning on the spectrum, and people often have difficulty understanding where I am coming from in terms of life experiences and I have difficulty relaying to them why I am the way that I am, so I often present a facade, which is isolating and lonely. My siblings fared a little better than I did and found family with their significant others that I for whatever reason did not. I suspect without being a gifted child I would have died a long time ago.

So all in all, not great, but probably much better than my peers in similar situations did.

[0] - https://abcnews.go.com/US/turpin-daughter-escape-happened-di....

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Tolstoy, "Anna Karenina" (1873)

More relevant to my comment,the anna karenina principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle

This is the first I've ever heard of the principle: excellent stuff.

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I’m going to have to ask you to google it or have GPT summarize it for you as it’s readily available.

Sure. But your statement alone without evidence at face value looks like something you just intuited without proof and out of thin air. Hence it was reasonable to ask.

Some trauma can make for focus and push. Most everyone has some amount of trauma just for existing. Higher ACE scores correlate with much lower life expectancy and worse outcomes, far higher rates of suicide, mental illness, substance abuse.

It may make for extremely driven people! Maybe many of the people with the most drive get it from a reaction to trauma. That doesn’t mean that the average person does better with trauma though.

Check the CDC site on ACEs. Or almost any other site. The data is astoundingly clear.

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