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OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Post by RivieraKid »

programjames wrote: post #297
RivieraKid wrote: post #282

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Not enough people care to make considering a name change worthwhile. The net benefit of changing their name is negative. If I were Sam Altman, I would keep the name, changing it would hurt the company.

Elon Musk (and several others) sued ClosedAI for this very reason. I agree with you that changing their name would hurt their company now, but I also want public sentiment to shift so not changing their name hurts even more.

It won't shift, the vast majority of people couldn't care less. And Elon is just butthurt about OpenAI, he would have made it closed if they allowed him to take over.

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Post by herval »

vidarh wrote: post #148
COAGULOPATH wrote: post #92

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>but much worse (and worse even in comparison to GPT4) than English composition O1 is supposed to be a reasoning model, so I don't think judging it by its English composition abilities is quite fair. When they release a true next-gen successor to GPT-4 (Orion, or whatever), we may see improvements. Everyone complains about the "ChatGPTese" writing style, and surely they'll fix that eventually. >Like they hired a few…

The bulk in terms of the number of tokens may well be synthetic data, but I personally know of at least 3 companies, 2 of whom I've done work for, that have people doing substantial amounts of bespoke writing under rather heavy NDAs. I've personally done a substantial amount of bespoke writing for training data for one provider, at good tech contractor fees (though I know I'm one of the highest-paid people for that c…

how do those companies gauge that what those contractors are writing isnt AI-generated?

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Post by herval »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #22
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

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> there is no secret sauce and they're afraid someone trains a model on the output OpenAI is fundraising. The "stop us before we shoot Grandma" shtick has a proven track record: investors will fund something that sounds dangerous, because dangerous means powerful.

Counterpoint, a place like Civit.AI is at least as dangerous, yet it's nowhere near as well funded.

a website that literally just hosts models with $5m in funding is plenty. It's not like they're doing foundation model research or anything novel, yet they nabbed a good amount of money for surfing the AI wave

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Post by Der_Einzige »

herval wrote: post #303
Der_Einzige wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint, a place like Civit.AI is at least as dangerous, yet it's nowhere near as well funded.

a website that literally just hosts models with $5m in funding is plenty. It's not like they're doing foundation model research or anything novel, yet they nabbed a good amount of money for surfing the AI wave

Pony diffusion imho qualifies as “foundation model research” and while it’s not directly Civit.AI, it’s indirectly them.

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Post by herval »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #304
herval wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a website that literally just hosts models with $5m in funding is plenty. It's not like they're doing foundation model research or anything novel, yet they nabbed a good amount of money for surfing the AI wave

Pony diffusion imho qualifies as “foundation model research” and while it’s not directly Civit.AI, it’s indirectly them.

This is like saying chatgpt is “indirectly” made by Reddit…

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Post by varenc »

programjames wrote: post #265
varenc wrote: post #85

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This is a tired and trite comment that appears on every mention of OpenAI but contributes little to the discussion.

I think the purpose is to shift public sentiment? I lot of people in the free software world are justifiably upset over ClosedAI's marketing tactics.

Shifting public sentiment seems a worthy goal, but this particular comment ("OpenAI?? more like ClosedAI amirite") gets repeated so often I don't think its doing anything. It shows up on every mention of OpenAI but has no bearing to the particular piece of news being discussed. I think there's lots of more productive ways to critique and shift public sentiment around OpenAI. But maybe I'm just grouchy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Post by vidarh »

herval wrote: post #302
vidarh wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bulk in terms of the number of tokens may well be synthetic data, but I personally know of at least 3 companies, 2 of whom I've done work for, that have people doing substantial amounts of bespoke writing under rather heavy NDAs. I've personally done a substantial amount of bespoke writing for training data for one provider, at good tech contractor fees (though I know I'm one of the highest-paid people for that c…

how do those companies gauge that what those contractors are writing isnt AI-generated?

It doesn't matter if it's AI-generated per se, so it's no crisis if some make it true. It matters if it is good. So multiple rounds of reviews to judge the output and pick up reviewers that keep producing poor results.

But I also know they've fired people who were dumb enough to cut and paste a response that included UI elements from a given AI website...

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Post by paulo20223 »

contravariant wrote: post #4

Okay this is just getting suspicious. Their excuses for keeping the chain of thought hidden are dubious at best [1], and honestly just seemed anti-competitive if anything. Worst is their argument that they want to monitor it for attempts to escape the prompt, but you can't. However the weirdest is that they note that: > for this to work the model must have freedom to express its thoughts in unaltered form, so we cann…

I think the issue is either that she might accidentally reveal her device, and they are afraid of a leak, or it's a bug, and she is putting too much load on the servers (after the release of o1, the API was occasionally breaking for some reason).

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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Post by Der_Einzige »

herval wrote: post #305
Der_Einzige wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pony diffusion imho qualifies as “foundation model research” and while it’s not directly Civit.AI, it’s indirectly them.

This is like saying chatgpt is “indirectly” made by Reddit…

It 100% is though, unironically.
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