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Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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It's not fair, market price of the data (for example Wikipedia) is zero, but the cost of what OpenAI is providing is billions.

What about ClosedAI's ignoring of people's requests to not scrape their data?

I don't know what you're referring to but if OpenAI is breaking the law, they should stop.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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99% of people don't care. Also, they are in some sense open, ChatGPT is openly available and they're capped-profit.

Far, far more than 1% of people care. Sure, they are open in one sense: for business. But in the tech world, "open" specifically means showing us how you got your final product. It means releasing source code rather than just binaries (even free binaries!), or sharing protocols and standards rather than keeping them proprietary (looking at you Apple and HDMI). It doesn't matter if anyone can use ChatGPT, that has not…

Not enough people care to make considering a name change worthwhile. The net benefit of changing their name is negative. If I were Sam Altman, I would keep the name, changing it would hurt the company.

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It's not a matter of making points, it's at least a semester's worth of courses on causal analysis, animal intelligence, the scientific method, explanation. Causality isnt ordering. Take two contrary causal mechanisms (eg., filling a bathtube with a hose, and emptying it with a bucket). The level of the bath is arbitrarily orderable with respect to either of these mechanisms. cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collide…

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Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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What percentage of people who use their products care? 1%? OpenAI is a brand, not a literal description of the company!

> OpenAI is a brand, not a literal description of the company! If the brand name is deeply contradictory to the business practices of the company, people will start making nasty puns and jokes, which can lead to serious reputation damages for the respective company.

I think generally zero business damage in name. Only a vocal minority like to cry about it.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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https://xcancel.com/SmokeAwayyy/status/1834641370486915417

The worst responses are links to something the generalized you can't be bothered to summarize. Providing a link is fine, but don't expect us to do the work to figure out what you are trying to say via your link.

I would argue that the worst responses are similar to the one you just typed out. Unnecessarily problematic

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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> OpenAI is a brand, not a literal description of the company! If the brand name is deeply contradictory to the business practices of the company, people will start making nasty puns and jokes, which can lead to serious reputation damages for the respective company.

I think generally zero business damage in name. Only a vocal minority like to cry about it.

> Only a vocal minority like to cry about it.

A very vocal minority can often have quite some influence on the majority. See for example the Wikipedia article on "Minority influence":

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_influence

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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I think generally zero business damage in name. Only a vocal minority like to cry about it.

> Only a vocal minority like to cry about it. A very vocal minority can often have quite some influence on the majority. See for example the Wikipedia article on "Minority influence": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_influence

If you have evidence that’s happening in the case of OpenAI. Let me know. Wiki link is useless.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

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I abuse chatgpt for generating erotic content, I've been doing so since day 1 of public access. I've paid for dozens of accounts in the past before they removed phone verification in account creation... At any point now I have 4 accounts signed into 2 browsers public/private windows, so I can juggle the rate limit. I receive messages and warnings and do on by email every day... I have never seen that warning message,…

I’ve been using a flawless “jailbreak” for every iteration of ChatGPT which I came up with (it’s just a few words). ChatGPT believes whatever you tell it about morals, so it’s been easy to make erotica as long as neither the output nor prompt uses obviously bad words.

I can’t convince o1 to fall for the same. It checks and checks and checks that it’s hitting OpenAI policy guidelines and utterly neuters any response that’s even a bit spicy in tone. I’m sure they’ll recalibrate at some point, it’s pretty aggressive right now.

Re: OpenAI threatens to revoke o1 access for asking it about its chain of thought

#290

It's all just human arrogance in a centralized neural network. We are, despite all our glorious technology, just space monkeys who recently discovered fire.

> recently discovered fire

We're now in the magic smoke age

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