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That’s kind of an overstatement. Building a PC is a And let’s not forget that pre-builts and laptops exist. The laptop mobile graphics situation is the best it’s ever been, it’s so easy to find an affordable gaming system that can handle AAA games. Or there’s the steam deck, a “console” that can play PC games.
A few crashes every month causing a few hours of lost time is likely worth more than any possible savings self-building could generate.
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You are grossly overestimating what PS5 can do in regards of 4k, let alone 8k (which nowadays is used by very small percentage of enthusiasts). 4k native is not something most of the modern releases target on PS5, perhaps in some specific moments when the resolution is dynamic and not much is happening on the screen. Or if you're playing at a locked 30 FPS, which is a major tradeoff.
Not disagreeing with you that many heavy PS5 games rely on dynamic resolution to hit a good frame rate. And for some people, that's enough reason to upgrade. They want they best available no matter what. But my point is that a holding a solid 4k vs dropping down from 4k to 2k upscaled when the action ramps up is barely visible to most people sitting 6 feet from a TV. It's diminishing returns. And what does 8k bring i…
It also boils down to the software part - sadly a lot of games are badly optimized due to laziness. UE5 is getting popular and games made with it have already demonstrated that PS5 may struggle with them. I believe over time PS5 Pro will become the baseline for optimization, leading to more frustrated PS5 owners wanting to upgrade.
Speaking of handhelds, Steamdeck is also mind-blowing good.
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Yes, I'm comparing building a machine to to the base ps5. If I'm building my own machine I may as well use an Nvidia card. That's where the costs build up. Eeven a last gen used Nvidia card is more expensive than a pro. It's not even worth talking about the 4000 series if you care at all about costs. >but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. I don't play online. Sony's done a great job this year giving me le…
The base PS5 can be beat with like a sub-$200 GPU or even a computer with high end integrated graphics like a Beelink mini PC or perhaps even a laptop that one may already own. Quantity of games doesn’t matter but platform compatibility, extensibility, and longevity does. Consoles have compromised modding, no ability to install custom software like open source game engine replacements (OpenMW and OpenTTD), limited su…
I'm not interested in having a console vs. PC debate. I just wanted to emphasize that it's not 2015 anymore and crypto ruined the idea of an affordable high end gaming pc. The good news is that there's plenty of non-aaa games and any pc you pick up for college can probably play older AAA games and indies with no issue. hence why the steam deck is very popular among pc players who wanted some portability. The cheapest gaming is indeed whatever pc or laptop you can pickup, even pre-built.
Power isn't everything, but clearly the ps5 pro and higher end cards are targeting power users. Someone not price sensitive already has some $3k top end gaming rig and won't be convinced of any console (the camp it sounds like you are in). For those that want a taste of that high end but are cost sensitive will probably look towards the PS5 Pro.
Is that a sustainable market? I don't think so. But gen 9's theme has been unsustainability with the devs suffering for the state of the economy (no matter how good or bad your last release was), so this is just on point.
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A few crashes every month causing a few hours of lost time is likely worth more than any possible savings self-building could generate.
A few crashes a month is a massive overstatement. It isn’t 1998. And FWIW my PS4 has crashed before. Most likely a software bug but it fully crashed while I was playing a game.
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A few crashes a month is a massive overstatement. It isn’t 1998. And FWIW my PS4 has crashed before. Most likely a software bug but it fully crashed while I was playing a game.
Well crashes, bugs, unusual workarounds, obscure error messages, etc…
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The base PS5 can be beat with like a sub-$200 GPU or even a computer with high end integrated graphics like a Beelink mini PC or perhaps even a laptop that one may already own. Quantity of games doesn’t matter but platform compatibility, extensibility, and longevity does. Consoles have compromised modding, no ability to install custom software like open source game engine replacements (OpenMW and OpenTTD), limited su…
If you really think gen 9 consoles are comparable to a laptop, we aren't really having an honest conversation here. I say this as someone with a $2500 gaming laptop with top end 2021 specs. I'm not interested in having a console vs. PC debate. I just wanted to emphasize that it's not 2015 anymore and crypto ruined the idea of an affordable high end gaming pc. The good news is that there's plenty of non-aaa games and…
I mean, yes, I do. I can run new AAA games on my MacBook Pro via native ports on Steam and the Mac App Store or Crossover.
Hell, Resident Evil 7 runs on a fucking iPhone at this point.
Don't forget that many PS5 games' render resolution is 1080p and under and up to 60FPS. It really isn't that powerful. If you take your gaming laptop and play at 1440p and complain that you're barely getting 60FPS at high/ultra settings, well, you're already outperforming a base PS5.
> crypto ruined the idea of an affordable high end gaming pc.
idk if you have noticed but we aren't at peak crypto GPU prices. This isn't 2022. GPUs are relatively affordable.
> Power isn't everything, but clearly the ps5 pro and higher end cards are targeting power users
PS5 Pro is equivalent to mid-range PC graphics cards. At $700.
If you own a PC right now, let's say it's a similar age to the PS4. You've got an AM4 motherboard with a Ryzen 1000 or 3000 series and a GTX 1080 or 1070 or something like that.
If you spend $700 on an upgrade and get yourself a Ryzen 5700x3D and RX 7900GRE you are vastly outperforming the PS5 Pro. Heck, if your gaming is more GPU bound and your processor still holds up you could skip the processor and buy an RTX 4070 Ti Super for $700. That GPU will positively SMOKE the PS5 Pro.
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Except Microsoft has said they have new Xbox hardware coming. We really need to stop spreading this misinformation (and hyperbole) just because Microsoft is operating a different business model than Sony is. I am not happy about the price either, but this generation has been weird with Microsoft and Sony not dropping their price and increasing prices in some locations. I doubt this has anything to do with Xbox.
That is whishful thinking, even if they release the magical console, it will tank, given their attitude of "You don't need a box to play XBox branded games" , while putting their games everywhere there is a GPU. I certainly don't care any longer about it beyond the XBox App on Windows.
It is interesting but not surprising that it’s disc-optional with no pre-installed disc drive option available. Otherwise, in terms of specs and price, I am somewhat amazed that the console market is clinging on to life at this point. The PS5/Series generation pushed me to PC and I’m really not understanding the appeal of the consoles anymore beyond the convenience of not needing to do assembly. The consoles are just…
>I’m really not understanding the appeal of the consoles anymore beyond the convenience of not needing to do assembly...and isn’t even really beating it on price all that well. It's a bit of the opposite direction for me. Crypto and now AI ruined the idea of a gaming PC being cheaper than a console. 3080's by themselves (which is what a $500 PS5 uses) can still go for $800 by itself on the used market. The gen 9 cons…
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>I’m really not understanding the appeal of the consoles anymore beyond the convenience of not needing to do assembly...and isn’t even really beating it on price all that well. It's a bit of the opposite direction for me. Crypto and now AI ruined the idea of a gaming PC being cheaper than a console. 3080's by themselves (which is what a $500 PS5 uses) can still go for $800 by itself on the used market. The gen 9 cons…
I doubt the non-Pro PS5 is anywhere close to the RTX3080's performance.
I compare it to a 3X series than a 2X because it's one specific spec that devs can target, leading to better optimization. And PS5 does have a few specific propreitary tricks to leverage as well compared to a PC.
Plus... it's not like the 2X GPUs are dirt cheap to begin with. I see $250-300 new. If I'm going to buy a gaming PC, it may as well at least be better than the machine I already own, and that one part is already half the price of a PS5 base.