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Adjusted for inflation that PS3 is $1,100 now.
Based on what calculation?
I used this one: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2006?amount=700
Playstation 5 Pro
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Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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Lot of downvoting for having a different opinion in this thread. So people disagree with you and think that warrants a downvote? That's counter to the HN ethos. I agree with you, don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC, that seems to be the counter argument here which just isn't the case
Downvotes for being outright unaware of the GPU market. If you can build me a PS5 equivalent PC build for $500 I'll take you up on that. Cheapest 3080 I could find used was $600 by itself (and that's probably a GPU already ground to dust from mining). >don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC No, you don't. But if you want to compare a PC to a console, you should use equivalent specs. People…
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware.
If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500.
Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti.
Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q24H6D
It’s $900, but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. so you’re breaking even after about 2 years, not counting the cost savings of PC games (I can buy Elden ring for under $50 via cheapshark.com, but it’s $70 on the PS Store)
Also, common components like case, power supply, and storage almost never have to be replaced when a PC is upgraded. Sony is making you throw out all those common components.
[1] https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-pro-vs-playstatio...
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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Thanks for the downvotes for pointing out that, as part of the target market for this product, I scratch my head a bit as it touches more in the PC territory than cheaper consoles did in the past. If you bought both this and the PS5 you're already at ~$1200, and a great PC build can be had for close to that. I think it's totally legitimate to point out this starts to encroach on the pc's territory.
>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. reminder. >If you bought both this and the PS5 you're already at ~$1200 why would I buy both? PS5 probably still sells for more than launch price in the US. I'd basically break even selling it and then proceed to spend $130 on a dang disc drive. So we're still 600-700 dollars in after 4 years. >I scratch my head a…
Don't patronize me, you seem to think you're the authority when it comes to how people react to a $700 console when a great gaming PC is in reach, price wise. And you'd buy both because the target for this probably is already on the playstation upgrade path so very likely already owns the PS5. Looking at Twitter I'm hardly the only one that feels this way.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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Downvotes for being outright unaware of the GPU market. If you can build me a PS5 equivalent PC build for $500 I'll take you up on that. Cheapest 3080 I could find used was $600 by itself (and that's probably a GPU already ground to dust from mining). >don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC No, you don't. But if you want to compare a PC to a console, you should use equivalent specs. People…
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpa…
Yea and if Sony isn't targeting the super budget conscious then who does this target? I don't get it. $700 is too much to buy this console as a gift (say, for a kid), and if you're a passionate gamer then I think the argument that you might start looking at alternatives in the PC space is pretty compelling. For me, I think the PS5 has a real fit in my house especially as my kids play it, and so does my PC which I haven't upgraded in years. I see no reason to buy the PS5 pro given it's in that no mans land price-wise.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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I think Microsoft's strategy is sane, albeit kinda stupid. They're the "Windows" people - they know that better options exist. A timeline for depreciating Xbox hardware in lieu of Xbox services makes sense, doubly so when you realize most console players already subscribe to Xbox Live/Game Pass. It's not genius, but it does involve a level of foresight that could save them from a "hardware crunch" that ushers in $700…
>Sony seems to be entrenched in a weird hole of Nintendo envy that does them absolutely no good, as an outsider looking in. Nintendo has publishing power, actual franchises people will buy a console for. Sony themselves reported that "We’re lacking the early phase (of IP) and that’s an issue for us." Which isn't only baffling but a slap in the face of people like me that grew up on Jak/Ratchet, Wild Arms, the Ico gam…
I'm still salty about them essentially killing Killzone.
Killzone 2 was the online multiplayer that I've enjoyed the most in my life.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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Yeah, gaming on a self built PC only makes sense if your time is worth ~$0.
That’s kind of an overstatement. Building a PC is a And let’s not forget that pre-builts and laptops exist. The laptop mobile graphics situation is the best it’s ever been, it’s so easy to find an affordable gaming system that can handle AAA games. Or there’s the steam deck, a “console” that can play PC games.
A few crashes every month causing a few hours of lost time is likely worth more than any possible savings self-building could generate.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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Downvotes for being outright unaware of the GPU market. If you can build me a PS5 equivalent PC build for $500 I'll take you up on that. Cheapest 3080 I could find used was $600 by itself (and that's probably a GPU already ground to dust from mining). >don't need to buy new 2024 PC components to have a great gaming PC No, you don't. But if you want to compare a PC to a console, you should use equivalent specs. People…
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpa…
Yes, I'm comparing building a machine to to the base ps5. If I'm building my own machine I may as well use an Nvidia card. That's where the costs build up. Eeven a last gen used Nvidia card is more expensive than a pro. It's not even worth talking about the 4000 series if you care at all about costs.
>but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year.
I don't play online. Sony's done a great job this year giving me less reasons to play as well.
>not counting the cost savings of PC games
This isn't Nintendo. You can get most AAA games half off of you wait 6 months post launch anyways.
Quantity of games doesn't rally matter these days anyways. Gamepass beats both if that's your most important metric.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpa…
Yea and if Sony isn't targeting the super budget conscious then who does this target? I don't get it. $700 is too much to buy this console as a gift (say, for a kid), and if you're a passionate gamer then I think the argument that you might start looking at alternatives in the PC space is pretty compelling. For me, I think the PS5 has a real fit in my house especially as my kids play it, and so does my PC which I hav…
$700 for a full console and 1200 for a single GPU is still a magnitude of difference.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
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That’s kind of an overstatement. Building a PC is a And let’s not forget that pre-builts and laptops exist. The laptop mobile graphics situation is the best it’s ever been, it’s so easy to find an affordable gaming system that can handle AAA games. Or there’s the steam deck, a “console” that can play PC games.
A few crashes every month causing a few hours of lost time is likely worth more than any possible savings self-building could generate.
A few crashes a month is a massive overstatement. It isn’t 1998.
And FWIW my PS4 has crashed before. Most likely a software bug but it fully crashed while I was playing a game.
Re: Playstation 5 Pro
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re the one who is unaware of the GPU market here. The 3080 is last generation’s hardware. If we are comparing equivalent specs, we should note that this new PS5 Pro is not going to be equivalent to mid-high end graphics cards that cost $500. Many outlets are comparing it to the RX6800 [1], which would put it at around a $380 retail graphics card like an RTX 4060Ti. Here’s my PS5 Pro equivalent build: https://pcpa…
Yes, I'm comparing building a machine to to the base ps5. If I'm building my own machine I may as well use an Nvidia card. That's where the costs build up. Eeven a last gen used Nvidia card is more expensive than a pro. It's not even worth talking about the 4000 series if you care at all about costs. >but remember that PS5 online play costs $80/year. I don't play online. Sony's done a great job this year giving me le…
The base PS5 can be beat with like a sub-$200 GPU or even a computer with high end integrated graphics like a Beelink mini PC or perhaps even a laptop that one may already own.
Quantity of games doesn’t matter but platform compatibility, extensibility, and longevity does. Consoles have compromised modding, no ability to install custom software like open source game engine replacements (OpenMW and OpenTTD), limited support of third party or customized hardware (Stream Deck, specialized simulation hardware, VR, etc).
Consoles make you throw out your old controllers when you get a new system, they often compromise or drop backwards compatibility with previous game libraries, and some even shut down their digital game stores. The PS3 almost shut theirs down before people complained. Now you can only buy games with PS Store balance, direct credit card purchases aren’t supported. The 3DS and WiiU eShop are gone.
And we didn’t even start talking about emulation or mouse and keyboard oriented games that suck on console. The most popular game of all time (Minecraft) is significantly worse on console and can’t be played with the extensive modding available that can completely transform the game (e.g., the Create mod). The Sims is awful with a controller. RimWorld, Stardew Valley, Cities Skylines, the entire survival crafting genre - all better games on mouse and keyboard.