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Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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Are you implying that Europe hasn’t had hundreds of wars where empires conquered areas in Europe? Genuinely asking for clarification.

"conquering" is not "colonialism". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism

And do you think there wasn’t slavery and exploitation of people and resources by governments in other areas? Because there absolutely was.

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Debt bondage is much cleaner.

Yeah. The PRC has this process down. None of the long term side effects of colonialism, but the benefits of immediate access to resources.

That's historically been phase I.

Phase II is when debt-burdened countries stop paying their debts, and the creditor sends in their military.

Phase III is when other countries support the debtor, for a variety of reasons, and start a proxy war.

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> I’d personally hazard a guess nothing short of military intervention can stop something like this Please don't guess, then? The famine started because of a military intervention gone south. The reality is that the Sudanese are a victim of circumstance. A war between some Arab rulers over who controls the Sudan.

At it's heart it's a Christianity vs Islam thing and should be a lesson in the failings of Multiculturalism and a vision of Europe's future.

This ignores historic examples of societies with multiple cultures, religions, etc living peacefully.

It doesn't always end well, but are you proposing the solution is to ensure that societies never try?

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At it's heart it's a Christianity vs Islam thing and should be a lesson in the failings of Multiculturalism and a vision of Europe's future.

This ignores historic examples of societies with multiple cultures, religions, etc living peacefully. It doesn't always end well, but are you proposing the solution is to ensure that societies never try?

> This ignores historic examples of societies with multiple cultures, religions, etc living peacefully.

Can you give me some examples? My own knowledge of history goes like this: proximity (between cultures / ethnicities) = war.

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And do remind us, who is funding the bombing of Gaza?

The right-wing Israeli government? Seeing as that's who their military reports to. The US may not be restraining them sufficiently, inasmuch as any country can another, but it's kind of a weird question. Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid. The broader finger pointing should be that, as always, nobody actually cares about the Palestinians. The West doesn't care,…

Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid.

That's not true at all.

Israel's military machine is far more self-sufficient than it was 20+ years ago. But over time, its capabilities would be significantly hobbled without U.S.-supplied parts and munitions. Don't forget those two aircraft carriers parked offshore, either.

Losing access to U.S. military aid, weapons sales, and strategic backing would definitely hurt. Given that it has now chosen to expand the war to 3 fronts, it really doesn't want to put itself in that box.

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And do remind us, who is funding the bombing of Gaza?

The right-wing Israeli government? Seeing as that's who their military reports to. The US may not be restraining them sufficiently, inasmuch as any country can another, but it's kind of a weird question. Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid. The broader finger pointing should be that, as always, nobody actually cares about the Palestinians. The West doesn't care,…

Did you forget $15B in “lethal aid” (so far)?

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The right-wing Israeli government? Seeing as that's who their military reports to. The US may not be restraining them sufficiently, inasmuch as any country can another, but it's kind of a weird question. Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid. The broader finger pointing should be that, as always, nobody actually cares about the Palestinians. The West doesn't care,…

Did you forget $15B in “lethal aid” (so far)?

I didn't.

Israeli is right behind Australia and Poland in terms of defense expenditures. Wanting for funding, they're not.

Would you care to address my comment, instead of throwing fact darts and seeing what sticks?

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The right-wing Israeli government? Seeing as that's who their military reports to. The US may not be restraining them sufficiently, inasmuch as any country can another, but it's kind of a weird question. Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid. The broader finger pointing should be that, as always, nobody actually cares about the Palestinians. The West doesn't care,…

Israeli is more than capable of bombing Gaza into the stone age even absent US military aid. That's not true at all. Israel's military machine is far more self-sufficient than it was 20+ years ago. But over time, its capabilities would be significantly hobbled without U.S.-supplied parts and munitions. Don't forget those two aircraft carriers parked offshore, either. Losing access to U.S. military aid, weapons sales,…

The Israelis have always been realistic about the fact that their access to US arms might be cut off. Hence why they (alone?) negotiated integration rights for their F-35s with domestic systems and munitions.

The greatest loss to Israel if the US were to withdraw aid would be in air defense -- specifically the US leaning on its allies in the region (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt) to quietly use airspace and basing to defend Israel from missile barrages.

At this point, it seems like Netanyahu doesn't much care what happens in the future, as long as his short-term political survival continues.

We'll see if the hostage death protests change anything, since the Israeli public seems like the only entity that can prompt policy change.

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I am very sad to watch this situation. I spent 3 weeks driving my 4x4 through Sudan in early 2019 [1], just a month before they finally got rid of Al-Bashir, and it was incredible. The people of Sudan were some of the kindest and friendliest I have ever encountered on the planet. When I asked for directions to buy bread and it turned out to be complicated, the following morning locals brought a bag of fresh-baked bre…

>The people of Sudan were some of the kindest and friendliest I have ever encountered on the planet.

Then why the fuck are they killing each other in a bloody civil war?

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I am very sad to watch this situation. I spent 3 weeks driving my 4x4 through Sudan in early 2019 [1], just a month before they finally got rid of Al-Bashir, and it was incredible. The people of Sudan were some of the kindest and friendliest I have ever encountered on the planet. When I asked for directions to buy bread and it turned out to be complicated, the following morning locals brought a bag of fresh-baked bre…

I don't think I've heard of a single group that was not described as the 'kindest and friendliest'.

I am from Vienna and I dont think we ever have been described as such.
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