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Anarchy in Sudan has spawned the world’s worst famine in 40 years

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JohnMakin wrote: post #172

Still cannot get the images of the Ethiopian famine out of my head - truly horrific stuff. I’ll let people smarter and more powerful than me debate what could/should be done - I’d personally hazard a guess nothing short of military intervention can stop something like this but that has its whole slew of unintended side effects. It seems like there are enough resources in the world to prevent things like this, at leas…

> It seems like there are enough resources in the world to prevent things like this

There will always be more greed than resources

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Post by dagaci »

LordShredda wrote: post #133
dagaci wrote: post #130

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Yes the situation in Sudan got worse so that it exceeded the situation in Gaza. It has been deteriorating for many months since April 2023. The collapse of the Sudan is not directly being enflamed directly by any western power compared to the Gaza collapse. So the Sudan conflict is less interesting to us. The Sudan collapse is being enflamed by regional powers where the UAE is funding the Janjaweed (who are officiall…

you can say genocidal, this isn't Facebook. I'd still imagine the UAE has independent goals

UAE 100% will get permission (if not direction) from state department! before they start throwing arms (bought from the US) into middle eastern conflicts

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Post by sorokod »

csomar wrote: post #235
JohnMakin wrote: post #172

Still cannot get the images of the Ethiopian famine out of my head - truly horrific stuff. I’ll let people smarter and more powerful than me debate what could/should be done - I’d personally hazard a guess nothing short of military intervention can stop something like this but that has its whole slew of unintended side effects. It seems like there are enough resources in the world to prevent things like this, at leas…

> I’d personally hazard a guess nothing short of military intervention can stop something like this Please don't guess, then? The famine started because of a military intervention gone south. The reality is that the Sudanese are a victim of circumstance. A war between some Arab rulers over who controls the Sudan.

You make it sound as if it is not a civil war waged by the Sudanese on the Sudanese.

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Post by datameta »

grecy wrote: post #47
dotancohen wrote: post #17

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How did so many people come to live in a desert? Was it not always a desert? What sustained these people to get to 46 million?

The Nile. basically everyone lives within walking distance of the river, and it very clearly brings life. When I was there it was incredible to see all the (basic) farming and houses and people living in the river valley, and less than 5km away have nothing but blowing sand for hundreds and hundreds of miles.

The Ethiopian dam project should prove to be an interesting test of negotiations and relations between Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia.

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

ainiriand wrote: post #285
throwaway48476 wrote: post #275

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I don't think I've heard of a single group that was not described as the 'kindest and friendliest'.

Germans.

And speaking of kind individuals, you are no longer in the competition.

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Post by discreteevent »

logicchains wrote: post #212
JohnMakin wrote: post #172

Still cannot get the images of the Ethiopian famine out of my head - truly horrific stuff. I’ll let people smarter and more powerful than me debate what could/should be done - I’d personally hazard a guess nothing short of military intervention can stop something like this but that has its whole slew of unintended side effects. It seems like there are enough resources in the world to prevent things like this, at leas…

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According to the Wikipedia link you sent the marxist Leninist state was set up in 1987 and inherited the problems caused by the previous military junta including the aftermath of the 1983-1985 famine.

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Post by hnpolicestate »

There's this awful semi-famous photograph online of a previous African famine that depicts a man walking past a child who he stole U.N supplied foodstuffs from.

This might be naive but what's stopping the U.S, Russia, E.U, China or any capable world power from just air dropping tons of food onto Sudans population centers? You can't tell me Sudan's military has the ability to shoot down advanced aircraft. Am I missing something? The country has no government currently so claiming it's a violation of sovereignty would also be questionable imo.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #272
Jensson wrote: post #270

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> control over which citizens go to university and where they can live I am pretty sure Chinese citizens are allowed to live where they can afford and they are allowed to go to university if they score well enough on the public tests. Just like in Europe. If you are talking about the random arrests that happens in China, that is due to the undemocratic authoritarian regime and corruption, not due to central planning.

No, they aren’t. Look up the hukou residence permit system.

Having worked at a school in China in which a large number of the students were there because their nonlocal hukou didn't entitle them to attend local public schools, it's pretty surreal to see someone claiming that the hukou controls where people are allowed to live. How are you imagining that happens?

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Post by PeterisP »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #298

There's this awful semi-famous photograph online of a previous African famine that depicts a man walking past a child who he stole U.N supplied foodstuffs from. This might be naive but what's stopping the U.S, Russia, E.U, China or any capable world power from just air dropping tons of food onto Sudans population centers? You can't tell me Sudan's military has the ability to shoot down advanced aircraft. Am I missing…

Airdropping "tons of food" wouldn't move the needle.

Airdropping thousands of tons of food per day, every day, for years on end would temporarily reduce famine. It wouldn't prevent famine (armed groupings who would gain control over of the airdrops wouldn't necessarily share), and would destroy local farming, and would be horrendously expensive but it's possible (see e.g. Berlin airlift) if someone major really wanted to dedicate all their airforce (again, see e.g. Berlin airlift for what it takes) to that.

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