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EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#171
post #97

You can just send encrypted text through a unencrypted channel, look, these are instructions for the next terrorist attack: vss8uATnfADT6Z/XN3yUcjq3R5e8P8HjIkm2GbS6e8CbOnQb5qx0112mmjgUezWbAMxSPegGo8TSMIj3rEEe9mG/JYzsDb9g2tm6zfeLEYA=

I wonder if there's precedent in court regarding that?

I mean, how does one prove that a message is anything but gibberish if they don't have the means to decode it?

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#172

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I think the fascism you're looking for is in the UK and France this month.

I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

The US does not have freedom of speech (whatever that means), either on private platforms or at a government level.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#173
post #96

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Orban doesn’t need to crack down on political opposition he has a strong majority in his country.[1] I guess you have a wrong opinion about Hungary and Orban because the media doesn’t like him because he is a pain in the ass for many plans of the European Union and gets bad reporting. Hungary has by the way not even 10 million residents. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarians-vote-orbans-...

I think one real good test of a democracy is to plot a line with years and above the name of the person ruling the country. In the US you will see at least every 8 years a different name on top of the line. I think a good democratic system will not have a new leader every year but maybe every 4-8 years. Anything below won’t be stable enough for mid/long term policy changes. Anything above will be good for the leader…

It's a good test of one aspect of a democracy, but a democracy is more than just its leader. A strongly independent judiciary is also a crucial element for a fair and free democracy. In my view the US fails in this regard. Its supreme court is effectively made up of politicians; judges with party affiliation who are appointed for life for partisan reasons. Its rulings frequently end up being split down party lines when such a thing is statistically improbable in a system where decisions should be based strictly on interpretation and application of the written words of the law.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#174
post #29

And it will never disappear from the agenda. Chat control is widely popular among some influential parts of the population. After the attempted terrorist attack in Vienna for the Taylor Swift concert the topic didn’t leave Austrian media. A lot of parents are in favor of this independently of terrorism because of fear of CSAM. There is an awful lot of lobbying going on and given history of EU regulation this can only…

> terrorist ... CSAM it's always the terrorists and the children. It turns off the logical, rational thought centers in the brain, and convinces ordinarily rational people to accept these poorly thoughtout security measures. As a civid duty, you must fight against measures like these that erode security and privacy. It sucks, because the reward is "nothing", and you must forever maintain vigilence against constant re…

Even if that argument somehow statistically works/worked, sometimes it should be mentioned: I would rather have some 3 terror attacks more per year, than having privacy of millions invaded and our way of living destroyed, just to prevent those 3 cases. It would be letting the actual terrorists determin how we live, what rights and privacy we are allowed to have.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

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I still can’t get over that the UK arrests people over social media posts. Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech?

> Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech? Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

Most residents of the USA want restrictions on free speech too. And they have it.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#176
post #66

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So by that token FFOS encryption and software using it should not exist?

So nuclear weapons are something we should let everyone have? See, it goes both ways.

You could have just said 'no'. Equating secrecy of letters with nuclear weapons isn't helping your argument.

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> Is the US the only place on the planet that actually has free speech? Yes, USA is indeed the only country on the planet with absolute free speech. Most residents of other places doesn't actually want what the USA has.

Is that actually true or what their governments tell them that they want?

I don't want far-right neonazis freely inciting people to violence towards immigrants, no.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#178

Strange that these European utopias seem to be on the edge of collapsing into civil conflicts if the plebs are permitted to communicate with one another without government supervision.

Hitlers rise to power can be attributed to free speech, which is why saying some things, and promoting some things, will land you in prison in places like Germany.

The debate about a surveillance state isn't the same debate as whether it should be allowed to deny the Holocaust. I know 0 Germans who are bothered by the latter.

Re: EU ChatControl is back on the agenda

#179

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The US does not have free speech. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/pro-palestinian-... I’m not suggesting the UK is better, btw, just rather that free speech already doesn’t exist anywhere. Some of these you can criticize because they aren’t public universities, and perhaps that’s fair, and the rest you can criticize because they weren’t arrested for protesting, but rather having “illegal encampments”, but…

The US enjoys free speech, but its not self enforcing.

free speech is often not something one “enjoys”. If you are at a funeral and have protesters burning pictures of your dead child then you aren’t “enjoying” that.

Howver the US does not have free speech. It has some speech which is not allowed by law, some which is allowed in theory but not in practice, and some which is allowed completely.

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